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RE: joyce meyer - 9/16/2009 12:49:06 AM
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what do christians care about orthodox sound doctrine and teaching? they don't. They even vote for politicians who go against what the bible strictly forbids, abortion and homosexuality.
Wow, a little bitter? I'm assuming you yourself are not one of "those Christians". I certainly have never voted for such politicians. But anyway, can you stick with the OP please? ...or maybe you're claiming that Joyce Meyers and those who listen to her vote for such politicians?
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RE: joyce meyer - 9/16/2009 9:35:01 AM
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what do christians care about orthodox sound doctrine and teaching? they don't. They even vote for politicians who go against what the bible strictly forbids, abortion and homosexuality.
Wow, a little bitter? I'm assuming you yourself are not one of "those Christians". I certainly have never voted for such politicians. But anyway, can you stick with the OP please? ...or maybe you're claiming that Joyce Meyers and those who listen to her vote for such politicians?
I gather you haven't read too many posts in the Current Events folder. Why is it hard to believe that those who have had their ears tickled with every wind of doctrine not be the same way with politicians?
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RE: joyce meyer - 9/16/2009 2:00:56 PM
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From Joyce Meyer's 1991 booklet The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, an evangelistic work aimed at nonbelievers, she resounds the Word-Faith view of Christ’s atonement:
"During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there ... no plan was too extreme ... Jesus paid on the cross and in hell” (pg. 35, underlining in the original).
“God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, ‘Let Him go.’ Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus ... He was resurrected from the dead — the first born-again man” (pg. 36, underlining in the original).
“His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. Remember in the very beginning of this, I said, ‘When you die, only your body dies. The rest of you, your soul and spirit, goes either to heaven or hell’” (ibid.).
“There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell” (ibid.).
“Jesus went to hell for you” (pg. 38, underlining in the original).
Meyer teaches the classic “Born-Again Jesus” gospel that has been taught by Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, Fred Price, John Jacobs, Charles Capps, Benny Hinn and Jan Crouch, to name a few. It’s usually presented under the guise of “revelation knowledge,” given by the Holy Spirit and grounded in Scripture. However, this gospel does not stand up under biblical scrutiny.
what do christians care about orthodox sound doctrine and teaching? they don't. They even vote for politicians who go against what the bible strictly forbids, abortion and homosexuality.
Wasn't it, rather, that there were only a few candidates that some would offer in these worldly affairs; and one has a civic duty to uphold, as well, to involve ones self appropriately in the building up process of ones local environment as microcosm of the whole?
Thus, some would not have added this on purpose to parade around cockily making fun of some who they know do not concur with this particular agenda or policy; would they have?
Also, the Only One that goes to Heaven is the One who came from Heaven who holds the Keys to Heaven and Hades and Hell; Paradise is the fulfillment of the substance of faith realized in the reward for what was done by grace through faith which is a gift and fruit of God's Spirit and Kingdom welling up ones cup overrunning to produce fruits in keeping with repentance; which is the restoration to gracious standing allowances with God in relationship.
The gates of hell will not prevail concerning The Church for the body is a tabernacle and an evil spirit goes through seething places is written and the end will come like a flood in the spiritual realm. One must, by prayer and petition, sharpen one spiritual sword to drive back powers and footholds and loose yokes and set captives free to enter The Kingdom in grace as part of the good fight vying with whatever tools and gifts bestowed that one has. To the battle and swiftly! For one has only so much time while one is on the earth and these weaponry can be added through Word and prayer to battle the evil forces. One must endeavor to hone ones armory well so that one will be found victorious in remaining in Christ to bear good fruits that will be found lasting as planted in The Garden of God in Paradise.
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RE: joyce meyer - 9/16/2009 4:29:22 PM
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what do christians care about orthodox sound doctrine and teaching? they don't. They even vote for politicians who go against what the bible strictly forbids, abortion and homosexuality.
Wow, a little bitter? I'm assuming you yourself are not one of "those Christians". I certainly have never voted for such politicians. But anyway, can you stick with the OP please? ...or maybe you're claiming that Joyce Meyers and those who listen to her vote for such politicians?
what I'm saying the evidence speaks loudly. If christians cared so much about what God says in His word they wouldn't say things like, "abortion and homosexual rights are secondary issues." That's why it matters little what JM actually teaches. I've heard christians argue for everything to gay rights to premarital sex. our own are straying form orthodoxy every day.
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RE: joyce meyer - 9/16/2009 4:31:06 PM
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what do christians care about orthodox sound doctrine and teaching? they don't. They even vote for politicians who go against what the bible strictly forbids, abortion and homosexuality.
Wow, a little bitter? I'm assuming you yourself are not one of "those Christians". I certainly have never voted for such politicians. But anyway, can you stick with the OP please? ...or maybe you're claiming that Joyce Meyers and those who listen to her vote for such politicians?
what I'm saying the evidence speaks loudly. If christians cared so much about what God says in His word they wouldn't say things like, "abortion and homosexual rights are secondary issues." That's why it matters little what JM actually teaches. I've heard christians argue for everything to gay rights to premarital sex. our own are straying from orthodoxy every day.
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RE: joyce meyer - 9/16/2009 7:49:20 PM
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what do christians care about orthodox sound doctrine and teaching? they don't. They even vote for politicians who go against what the bible strictly forbids, abortion and homosexuality.
Wow, a little bitter? I'm assuming you yourself are not one of "those Christians". I certainly have never voted for such politicians. But anyway, can you stick with the OP please? ...or maybe you're claiming that Joyce Meyers and those who listen to her vote for such politicians?
what I'm saying the evidence speaks loudly. If christians cared so much about what God says in His word they wouldn't say things like, "abortion and homosexual rights are secondary issues." That's why it matters little what JM actually teaches. I've heard christians argue for everything to gay rights to premarital sex. our own are straying from orthodoxy every day.
Assyrian had a certain deity named Molech who was worshipped by killing ones kids for prosperity or money concerns; for it is written these have put their children through the fire to Molech.
Also, these had adopted this rather than repent for the Assyrian had conquered the northern Israel and taxed Jerusalem in the days of Jeremiah through whom the announcements of the decisions for Babylon would come. These are what was written for us, God's Word Living and Active carried forward unto the completion of the times of the gentile nations as written in the diaspora.
Assyria, Israel, and Egypt jointly serve God in a highway and rulers will come to entreat The Almighty as written. Is not this word in fulfillment before our very eyes in these days?
For among abortion processes, are to burn the fetus alive from out of the womb with acid.
For the Testimony of this set of Prophets was as Ezekiel was commissioned for forty years work to continue the call of Moses, for a Day which is coming The Great and Terrible Day of The Lord as written.
The Judgments are the trumpet Feast as written in Revelation announcing the conquering of the Rightful Heirs of The Messiah.
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RE: joyce meyer - 9/16/2009 11:29:32 PM
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RE: joyce meyer - 9/18/2009 11:54:11 PM
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Why would money be evil if it's one kind of God's resources we have stewardship over. That means living within our means... that's not the point with her, it's all the extras, why does a Christian need all those luxuries? She could rescue a LOT MORE people if she and her family gave up the extra money they spend beyond a more humble lifestyle. Just imagine how many more children in Africa and Asia could be fed with that money.
I think the point made "Well, if I stole cars and gave the money I got from the parts to charity, would that make my theft any less wrong?" is spot on. I have to add, she is a charismatic teacher and is very talented in encouraging people. I've read some of her books and picked me up when I was in a mental clinic, but I wouldn't use her resources for serious Bible Studies. In addition, her lifestyle and what the Bible teaches are in contradiction. That fact doesn't diminish her talents and people skills though.
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RE: joyce meyer - 9/19/2009 12:09:26 AM
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Why would money be evil if it's one kind of God's resources we have stewardship over. That means living within our means... that's not the point with her, it's all the extras, why does a Christian need all those luxuries? She could rescue a LOT MORE people if she and her family gave up the extra money they spend beyond a more humble lifestyle. Just imagine how many more children in Africa and Asia could be fed with that money.
I think the point made "Well, if I stole cars and gave the money I got from the parts to charity, would that make my theft any less wrong?" is spot on. I have to add, she is a charismatic teacher and is very talented in encouraging people. I've read some of her books and picked me up when I was in a mental clinic, but I wouldn't use her resources for serious Bible Studies. In addition, her lifestyle and what the Bible teaches are in contradiction. That fact doesn't diminish her talents and people skills though.
To The Victor go the spoils of vying! All who came before Me were liars and thieves; give and it will be given a good measure will be poured out and overflowing into your lap. Who are you to Judge another persons servant, or do you not know that God can pull you into court for the same things that you Judge others for? Which one did what was asked, the one who claimed they would go and then pointed out their neighbors faults to cover up, or the ones who changed their minds and decided to put The Word into practice?
While one is on the way to court with someone who has something concerning you as an enmity, should one not attempt to work out terms that are more agreeable to both parties?
Forgive, and you will be forgiven for the measure one uses will be measured to ones self.
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RE: joyce meyer - 9/19/2009 2:34:42 AM
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Who are you to Judge another persons servant, or do you not know that God can pull you into court for the same things that you Judge others for?
This is in the wrong context here, I believe. Criticizing one Christian person's lifestyle is not about judging the person on God's terms, a Christian shouldn't be living in luxury. That's not what Jesus taught. (Televangelists are prone to going to the extreme with money. Just one example: some of them even sell green (color of money) prayer cloth or what telling believers they will attract money if they place it between the pages of the Bible.) The truth is always painful, and stating something is wrong doesn't equal making a judgment on God's behalf.
I'm not in dangers of being pulled into court for the same thing I judge, unfortunately. 
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Excessive luxury, yet, there is no rich nor poor because the poor are Blessed either way?
Blessed are the Spirit Beggars and Sowers who sow to the Spirit to reap the good currencies concerning what was once for all entrusted to Saints.
For, not many were rich or wise or strong by the world's standards when called is written. Of those that were, it is wise to win over peoples with worldly wealth is written; to hire them to perform assigned duties in delegations of authorities or to provide for peoples temporary needs. Yet, beyond all question the mystery of Godliness is great for the Work in The Word is the Most Precious and Treasured Gift that Lasts as The Apostle showed us that He appointed administrative pastors to oversee the distributions of the tithes and offerings to needy believers. For was not Judas the keeper of the money bag or the administrative accountant who was found unfaithful in this lesser duty? Those who are faithful with little, more can be added because they proved themselves in these lessor concerns.
If one sinner repents it is as the prodigal child returning and there is much to celebrate when good things are being promoted.
As to budgeting and finance, a component of sound fiscal responsibility is to tithe the extra tithe like Esdra; one for the Church and one for the needy among, especially, the believers in God; to worthwhile concerns that are dutiful and discrete in the manner in which the allocations are distributed. With attention given to the percentage that reaches the intended groups of peoples desired.
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RE: joyce meyer - 9/19/2009 11:16:51 AM
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Hi Prophetica, Cybrjewls, etc. Nice to see you again.
There are 39 pages of solid documentation that this woman is a false teacher. For some, a thousand pages would not prove it. Sad.
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RE: joyce meyer - 9/21/2009 2:54:38 PM
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Having been employed by Joyce in the past, I can say first hand that Joyce is arrogant and more judgemental of people than anyone has been of her on this message thread. Christians need to stop telling other Christians not too judge those within the Body - it is our DUTY to call out people who are taking advantage of others.
Here is a direct quote from Joyce Meyers from the person she said it to:
"The problem around here is that everyone (speaking of people within her ministry office) thinks they're a preacher, and the only preacher around here is me."
Straight from the horse's mouth. Period.
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RE: joyce meyer - 9/21/2009 4:42:56 PM
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Having been employed by Joyce in the past, I can say first hand that Joyce is arrogant and more judgemental of people than anyone has been of her on this message thread. Christians need to stop telling other Christians not too judge those within the Body - it is our DUTY to call out people who are taking advantage of others.
Here is a direct quote from Joyce Meyers from the person she said it to:
"The problem around here is that everyone (speaking of people within her ministry office) thinks they're a preacher, and the only preacher around here is me."
Straight from the horse's mouth. Period.
May The Lord forgive Joyce, then, when she went to do something good for we all fall short of glories is written.
Anyway, it is important to understand that the mammon issues are going to come home to roost in fulfillment of The Prophets when The Lord allows the false prophet to come and test to see if we really love God instead of money.
These say that they are rich and need nothing, yet it is written that these refuse to come to Me to have The Life for they say that they know Scriptures that speak about Me. The very same were said to have actions that deny Him for sin easily entangles is written. Show me the money by what was done through God and for God and by God with fruits.
For if one obey the commands one does not seek to uproot the tares until The Coming and would extend the open invitation to everyone.
Have you ever said anything about anyone else that accusatory or false because of Christ? Who would be the Blessed, then, when their name is rejected by some?
Make a sound and correct adjudication, for what does it profit anyone to gain an advantage concerning others and lose their eternity or some of their own benefits? Make every effort to store up with God is written, where it remains for longer rewards in Paradise.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/6/2009 5:00:38 PM
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Thank you Lapidoth and WanderingLamb! I'm so thankful to the Lord for being set free. I now steer clear of her teaching, and other WOF. I also do agree that there are other very good teachers out there, but that we must test it against scripture. :-)
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/7/2009 12:50:08 PM
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what do christians care about orthodox sound doctrine and teaching? they don't. They even vote for politicians who go against what the bible strictly forbids, abortion and homosexuality.
Wow, a little bitter? I'm assuming you yourself are not one of "those Christians". I certainly have never voted for such politicians. But anyway, can you stick with the OP please? ...or maybe you're claiming that Joyce Meyers and those who listen to her vote for such politicians?
I do not see bitterness here. what i do see is a righteous anger and for a good cause. christians in america have turned from the truth. they have made decisions based on the things of this world and lining their own pockets with money. joyce meyer is part of this problem not a solution.
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RE: joyce meyer - 11/2/2009 11:48:25 PM
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I like Joyce Meyer. She is full of pure common sense and tells it like it is about REAL life. She had a horrible, unspeakable childhood and overcame it through prayer and Bible study, with no secular therapy. Not an easy accomplishment and hardly anyone is able to do it.
She is sometimes rough around the edges and uses improper grammar, but she obviously studies and studies the Word of God. She works extremely hard.
Does anybody really think that she sat down one day and made a plan - "I'll start teaching and preaching, making tapes of my sermons and writing books, and then I'll end up speaking to coliseums full of thousands of people, but I won't charge for them to attend for three days, I'll go to Africa, Viet Nam, Cambodia and other third-world countries and feed the poor hungry children, and therefore I will become a millionaire and live in a fine home with a bunch of luxeries?"
Come on. No one could plan that out and succeed no matter how hard they tried. And would you really want her life to get to where she is now? I sure wouldn't. It amazes me totally that she overcame 15 years of sexual abuse by her Dad, while her mother knew about it and ignored it, only to give them a new home and take care of them until they died.
Sure, she has some faults, but who doesn't? I have learned a lot from her. If she says something that I don't agree with, it causes me to study the Word to check it out.
In my book, she is a great woman who truly strives to win souls to Jesus and has worked very hard for many years to do it. What a lot of people don't realize is that a whole lot of her riches were given to her directly and were not taken out of the offerings and donations to her organization.
Of all the TV evangelists, I do not know one that is any better or more honest. Her financial records are fully disclosed every year. She fires people without hesitation if they go against the Word of God - even something as "minor" as finding out that an employee is living with someone that they are not married to. I admire that. Hardly anyone is brave enough to stand for the right.
Would her opponents feel better if she wore ragged clothes, ate at McDonald's everyday, and lived in a shack? Would they feel better if she rode a Greyhound bus to her next seminar? Would a sinner want the things that Jesus promised us if that was the example they saw in her life?
And have you ever listened to her husband? He is very patriotic and is pleading with Americans to stand up for what is right and to do the right thing.
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RE: joyce meyer - 11/3/2009 12:18:35 AM
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I like Joyce Meyer. She is full of pure common sense and tells it like it is about REAL life. She had a horrible, unspeakable childhood and overcame it through prayer and Bible study, with no secular therapy. Not an easy accomplishment and hardly anyone is able to do it.
She is sometimes rough around the edges and uses improper grammar, but she obviously studies and studies the Word of God. She works extremely hard.
If you get some time, review the 39 pages we have here, discussing Joyce Meyers, her lifestyle, and her teachings. It will help use dialect better.
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Does anybody really think that she sat down one day and made a plan - "I'll start teaching and preaching, making tapes of my sermons and writing books, and then I'll end up speaking to coliseums full of thousands of people, but I won't charge for them to attend for three days, I'll go to Africa, Viet Nam, Cambodia and other third-world countries and feed the poor hungry children, and therefore I will become a millionaire and live in a fine home with a bunch of luxeries?"
Come on. No one could plan that out and succeed no matter how hard they tried. And would you really want her life to get to where she is now? I sure wouldn't. It amazes me totally that she overcame 15 years of sexual abuse by her Dad, while her mother knew about it and ignored it, only to give them a new home and take care of them until they died.
Touching practices mixed with lies preached from the pulpit . . .it's not easy to say so, I wish I could like her. . .
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Sure, she has some faults, but who doesn't?
Some people's faults are more severe than others.
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If she says something that I don't agree with, it causes me to study the Word to check it out.
What do you do when you find she is out of line with the Word of God?
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What a lot of people don't realize is that a whole lot of her riches were given to her directly and were not taken out of the offerings and donations to her organization.
And now she has like, 7 cars and a 26 million dollar jet. . . just like the apostles.
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Of all the TV evangelists, I do not know one that is any better or more honest.
That's not saying much,
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She fires people without hesitation if they go against the Word of God - even something as "minor" as finding out that an employee is living with someone that they are not married to. I admire that. Hardly anyone is brave enough to stand for the right.
And yet she herself preaches against the Word of God.
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Would her opponents feel better if she wore ragged clothes, ate at McDonald's everyday, and lived in a shack? Would they feel better if she rode a Greyhound bus to her next seminar?
Yes.
Or, you know, if she just didn't squander on her ministry's money, and then, because it is paid for through her ministry, get to get off tax-free.
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Would a sinner want the things that Jesus promised us if that was the example they saw in her life?
What did Jesus promise us? Jets, cars, and mansions?
No. He promised hardships. He promised we would be hated and despised by the world.
He told us to take nothing with us, not worry about where we will lay down our head . . .
If a sinner comes to Jesus because they think they can get a new cadillac, then they are not getting saved.
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RE: joyce meyer - 11/3/2009 9:30:20 AM
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I like Joyce Meyer. She is full of pure common sense and tells it like it is about REAL life. She had a horrible, unspeakable childhood and overcame it through prayer and Bible study, with no secular therapy. Not an easy accomplishment and hardly anyone is able to do it.
She is sometimes rough around the edges and uses improper grammar, but she obviously studies and studies the Word of God. She works extremely hard.
Does anybody really think that she sat down one day and made a plan - "I'll start teaching and preaching, making tapes of my sermons and writing books, and then I'll end up speaking to coliseums full of thousands of people, but I won't charge for them to attend for three days, I'll go to Africa, Viet Nam, Cambodia and other third-world countries and feed the poor hungry children, and therefore I will become a millionaire and live in a fine home with a bunch of luxeries?"
Come on. No one could plan that out and succeed no matter how hard they tried. And would you really want her life to get to where she is now? I sure wouldn't. It amazes me totally that she overcame 15 years of sexual abuse by her Dad, while her mother knew about it and ignored it, only to give them a new home and take care of them until they died.
Sure, she has some faults, but who doesn't? I have learned a lot from her. If she says something that I don't agree with, it causes me to study the Word to check it out.
In my book, she is a great woman who truly strives to win souls to Jesus and has worked very hard for many years to do it. What a lot of people don't realize is that a whole lot of her riches were given to her directly and were not taken out of the offerings and donations to her organization.
Of all the TV evangelists, I do not know one that is any better or more honest. Her financial records are fully disclosed every year. She fires people without hesitation if they go against the Word of God - even something as "minor" as finding out that an employee is living with someone that they are not married to. I admire that. Hardly anyone is brave enough to stand for the right.
Would her opponents feel better if she wore ragged clothes, ate at McDonald's everyday, and lived in a shack? Would they feel better if she rode a Greyhound bus to her next seminar? Would a sinner want the things that Jesus promised us if that was the example they saw in her life?
And have you ever listened to her husband? He is very patriotic and is pleading with Americans to stand up for what is right and to do the right thing.
I'm speechless 
Guess you didn't get a chance to read through this thread...how sad. 
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RE: joyce meyer - 11/3/2009 11:50:08 AM
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I like Joyce Meyer. She is full of pure common sense and tells it like it is about REAL life. She had a horrible, unspeakable childhood and overcame it through prayer and Bible study, with no secular therapy. Not an easy accomplishment and hardly anyone is able to do it.
But, she doesn't preach the Jesus of the Bible (and you would know that had you taken the time to read this thread). So, for all the "telling it like it is about real life, overcoming," etc., it doesn't mean a thing if she is not teaching it according to the Word of God (which she isn't).
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RE: joyce meyer - 11/3/2009 10:50:43 PM
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Robin-again
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Joyce has helped me a whole lot.
I listen to her regularly.
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RE: joyce meyer - 11/3/2009 11:56:50 PM
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ORIGINAL: Robin-again
Joyce has helped me a whole lot.
I listen to her regularly.
What did she help you with?
Are you more sound in the Word of God because of her, or was it due to self-help type psycho-babble?
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RE: joyce meyer - 11/4/2009 11:04:54 AM
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Robin-again
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Growing closer toward God plus I am aware of how I now talk to people.
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RE: joyce meyer - 11/4/2009 3:47:44 PM
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No, I didn't read the entire 39 pages. That would take days, plus I have problems reading a lot on the screen and sure can't print all this out.
I still say that she helps more than she could ever hurt. And I stills say that there is no way that she sat down and planned out how to get rich - start teaching in her home, then small groups, sell cassette tapes, write books, grow and grow until she is traveling all over the world to places that I would never go (you couldn't pay me to go!) - do all of that with the end goal in her mind to become a millionaire??
And would you live her life for what she has? Would you spend the first 18 years of your life being abused in every way by both parents so that when you get into your 50's you have money and a beautiful home? I wouldn't.
I like to listen to her because she teaches practical, everyday life living. She's been there and overcame a whole lot with ONLY the help of Jesus. She never attended therapy (I'm not saying anything against therapy). She sought the Lord, prayed and prayed, read the Bible over and over, worked on herself by becoming the Christian woman that she wanted to be. It took years and years of work for her to get where she is now with the Lord. The riches you talk about are a by-product.
If she misses the Bible (in my view or in your view), I just ignore it like I do all other ministers, both on TV and in my local churches (or in between).
I don't know the exact scriptures where she has missed the Word that has caused these types of comments from you all, and I guess I would know if I read the entire Forum, but that's an impossible task. If it were easier to print from the Forum, I would do so, but it prints one page at a time and each page uses about 3 pieces of paper. I don't know how to shorten the posts to print using less paper. Especially since so many posts quote former posts, so there is a whole lot of repeating.
If anyone knows a way to eliminate the repeats (quotes), and print all this out using a whole lot less paper, let me know. I'll print this out and read it.
I did see the posts listing all her possessions and also the link showing where she and her children live. But she didn't steal any money to get any of this. I don't resent her having a salary. She sure works hard for it. I don't resent her husband and children having salaries. They work for them also. What I do resent is the congressmen and senators giving themselves raises every year and having the best healthcare in the land when I can't even get any after working for 40+ years. But that's another subject.
BTW, most churches that I know give their pastor and family a house to live in (the parsonage), a salary, pay their medical insurance, sometimes even give them cars, pay for their travel when it's associated with church business, give them love offerings, huge presents at Christmas, on their birthdays, and on Pastor's Appreciation days, plus many other benefits. So if a congregation of 2000 can do all that, what's wrong with Joyce having what she has since she preaches to millions of people every year?
I also respect the fact that she doesn't charge for her seminars. Joel does and he has a flimsy excuse for doing so that made no sense whatsoever.
I saw Joyce on Larry King and he asked her if homosexuality is wrong and she didn't hesitate a second to say it is. I saw Larry ask Joel and a couple of other preachers and they hem-hawed around and was afraid to give a straight answer (no pun intended) out of fear of offending someone and maybe losing some offerings.
I'm not asking anyone to repeat the posts, but I sure would like to see proof of how bad you say she is.
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RE: joyce meyer - 11/4/2009 4:11:33 PM
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I'm not asking anyone to repeat the posts, but I sure would like to see proof of how bad you say she is.
Good, because there is no sense in repeating what has been well documented in this thread...the proof is there. However, if you won't take the time or extend the effort to go back and read the proof, you will remain deceived by choice.
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