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Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 10:53:31 AM
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StephK
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TOKYO, Nov 13 (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama said on Friday he would insist on an "exacting" form of justice for alleged Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
What a slap in the face to the families of the victims.
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 11:09:49 AM
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AmandaRadarRanger
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TOKYO, Nov 13 (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama said on Friday he would insist on an "exacting" form of justice for alleged Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
What a slap in the face to the families of the victims.
Um... how is that a slap?
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 11:12:36 AM
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It goes from military tribunal to civilian court. NY doesn't have the death penalty.
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 11:17:40 AM
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AmandaRadarRanger
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It goes from military tribunal to civilian court. NY doesn't have the death penalty.
Oh. I don't believe in the death penalty anyway, big surprise I'm sure.
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 11:21:31 AM
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StephK
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Michelle Malkin was prescient as this was posted back on Jan. 23.
Pay attention to Eric Holder’s law firm and Gitmo detainees
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 11:53:02 AM
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It goes from military tribunal to civilian court. NY doesn't have the death penalty.
NY's provisions don't matter. He's being tried in federal court. There is a federal death statute.
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 11:54:56 AM
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That's a point, maybe he won't make it to trial in NY?
That would be justice.
Since when is vigilantism and murder justice?
It's one of those things that is emotionally satisfying at a base level to consider, but morally unjustifiable.
We Christians should try to focus our minds in more fruitful directions, including making sure there's a place for the rule of law.
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 11:57:10 AM
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What kind of penalty or justice do you think this man deserves for this? Since death is too harsh of a penalty for him. Since we are too unkind, too harsh, too judgemental to think he should be put to death for killing innocent people as they sat down to work, got on planes to go home or go to business appoinments, etc. 
Personally, I would hate to see him executed. The man wants to be a martyr. I would be reluctant to grant him that status.
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 12:17:06 PM
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What kind of penalty or justice do you think this man deserves for this? Since death is too harsh of a penalty for him. Since we are too unkind, too harsh, too judgemental to think he should be put to death for killing innocent people as they sat down to work, got on planes to go home or go to business appoinments, etc.
Personally, I would hate to see him executed. The man wants to be a martyr. I would be reluctant to grant him that status.
Sometimes justice demands the utmost penalty. This is the man who made people choose jumping or burning to death. This is also the man who beheaded Daniel Pearl.
I understand that. Sometimes though giving the person what he deserves, if it's also what he wants, isn't really the utmost penalty.
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 12:20:48 PM
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It goes from military tribunal to civilian court. NY doesn't have the death penalty.
Oh. I don't believe in the death penalty anyway, big surprise I'm sure.
What kind of penalty or justice do you think this man deserves for this? Since death is too harsh of a penalty for him. Since we are too unkind, too harsh, too judgemental to think he should be put to death for killing innocent people as they sat down to work, got on planes to go home or go to business appoinments, etc.
I am not characterizing anyone here. I am not defending the hijacker dude. I'm merely stating that I don't believe in the death penalty, ok?
To put it briefly when there is 100% certainty that no innocent person will be executed then maybe I'll change my mind about the issue.
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 12:25:01 PM
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No, you will change your mind when you are the victim.
Everyone on death row is "innocent."
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Personally, I would hate to see him executed. The man wants to be a martyr. I would be reluctant to grant him that status.
If he isn't going to be executed (justice), then he
should have a prison suit made of pig skins. And
feed him pork the rest of his life. And give him a
pig-skin football for recreation.
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 12:29:15 PM
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GroupW
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If he isn't going to be executed (justice), then he
should have a prison suit made of pig skins. And
feed him pork the rest of his life.
There's a certain poetry to the justice there.
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 12:38:45 PM
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It goes from military tribunal to civilian court. NY doesn't have the death penalty.
NY's provisions don't matter. He's being tried in federal court. There is a federal death statute.
And the federal court is FAR more likely to hand down a death penalty than the military. It's been, what, 50 years since the military has carried out an execution? If I were determined to go for the death penalty, I'd definitely choose federal court over military.
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 12:50:38 PM
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No, you will change your mind when you are the victim.
Everyone on death row is "innocent."
Well if I'm the victim I'll be dead, so I'll probably be busy doing something else.
Everyone on death row is not innocent, but they're not all guilty either it's been pretty well established.
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 12:57:27 PM
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Lapidoth
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No, you will change your mind when you are the victim.
Everyone on death row is "innocent."
Well if I'm the victim I'll be dead, so I'll probably be busy doing something else.
Everyone on death row is not innocent, but they're not all guilty either it's been pretty well established.
That's true, but you are expecting a perfect system
before expecting justice. Ain't gonna happen.
Capital Punishment always brings up the question
in our area, if you were innocent and got caught up
in this system would you be for it?
Yes, I would be for it. I would be an innocent victim,
but we can't allow a thousand murderers go free just
because one might get caught in the wheels of
justice.
God allowed for Abraham to bring the expected number
to 5 or 10, but then punishment was executed.
When I find "no death penalty" in the Bible, I will
change my mind.
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 12:59:57 PM
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To put it briefly when there is 100% certainty that no innocent person will be executed then maybe I'll change my mind about the issue.
Amanda, How often do you think we wrongly execute the someone who is innocent? They sit on death row for YEARS getting appeal, after appeal. I know and understand that mistakes and errors happen and my heart breaks for those that are wrongly convicted. But I am a bereaved parent, I have buried a child. I have sat in a room for 9 yrs and held many parents of murdered children from ages teens to adults and watched them grieve. Do they deserve justice for their children?
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 1:11:05 PM
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Lets talk the Constitution? Conservatives love it! Praise it! The second most holy thing ever put down on paper!
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No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Mmmm smell that delicious conservatism! Oh wait...
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That's a point, maybe he won't make it to trial in NY?
That would be justice.
Ok, but still, most of the consitution! Yes! Glorious, sweet liberties and rights!
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Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
I mean, we can all agree on this right?
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If he isn't going to be executed (justice), then he
should have a prison suit made of pig skins. And
feed him pork the rest of his life. And give him a
pig-skin football for recreation.
In short, I think James Madison and Co would support the way the trial is being handled. The accused are being taken to the appropriate jurisdiction and will be given a fair trial, and if convicted, will recieve appropriate punishment as decided by the court. Ensuring the the Constitution keeps working even when we want to flush it for vigilante justice matters.
I do support the dealth penalty if he's convicted, and trust the court to decide if life in prison or death is preferable
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 1:18:55 PM
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I doubt that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would still be alive if he had committed his crimes back during the days of the founders.
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RE: Obama says will insist on justice for 9/11 suspect - 11/13/2009 1:26:51 PM
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I doubt that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would still be alive if he had committed his crimes back during the days of the founders.
It would seem the founders didn't support lynching.
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