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TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 10:36:29 AM
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Rockwall
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Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism
Speaking at a luncheon for a Midland County Republican Women’s group, Perry said that “this is an administration hell-bent toward taking American towards a socialist country. And we all don’t need to be afraid to say that because that’s what it is.”
Perry praised the tea party movement to the Republican activists in attendance, crediting the grassroots groups with discouraging some Democrats in Washington from pushing for a public option in the health care bill.
“If you all think those tea parties didn’t work, then let me tell you something,” Perry said. “When they all came home in August for those town hall meetings, they got an earful. Then they went back to Washington, D.C. and the Senate voted that public option down in committee with a majority of Democrats in the Senate.” LINK 1
Not sure if Perry is the first governor to actually state in public that Obama is taking America down a path of socialism, but I do give him credit for putting himself out there like that. Then again, it's not the first time he has been controversial:
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Governor Says Texans May Want to Secede From Union But Probably Won't
Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired up an anti-tax "tea party" Wednesday with his stance against the federal government and for states' rights as some in his U.S. flag-waving audience shouted, "Secede!"
An animated Perry told the crowd at Austin City Hall -- one of three tea parties he was attending across the state -- that officials in Washington have abandoned the country's founding principles of limited government. He said the federal government is strangling Americans with taxation, spending and debt.
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Later, answering news reporters' questions, Perry suggested Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to secede from the union, though he said he sees no reason why Texas should do that.
"There's a lot of different scenarios," Perry said. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot." LINK 2
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Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment
Gov. Rick Perry today joined state Rep. Brandon Creighton and sponsors of House Concurrent Resolution (HCR) 50 in support of states’ rights under the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
“I believe that our federal government has become oppressive in its size, its intrusion into the lives of our citizens, and its interference with the affairs of our state,” Gov. Perry said. “That is why I am here today to express my unwavering support for efforts all across our country to reaffirm the states’ rights affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I believe that returning to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution and its essential 10th Amendment will free our state from undue regulations, and ultimately strengthen our Union.” LINK 3
Maybe socialism isn't the correct term, but the Obama administration has taken over the banking industry, the car industry, and now wants to take over the health care industry. Considering how the left complained about the "Bush regime", it looks like the Obama regime has taken government power to a new level. I don't believe any other governor would risk their political career calling Obama out the way Perry did, but it will be a wait-and-see. I am glad that Perry has embraced the Tea Parties instead of referring to them as a bunch of right-wing redneck wackos.
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 10:46:02 AM
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Is this the dude who wants to secede from the union? Now there's someone who judgement I respect!
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 11:39:11 AM
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Is this the dude who wants to secede from the union? Now there's someone who judgement I respect!
He's just telling it like it is.........................
If this nation hadn't been dumbed down for
the last 60 years this would not be happening.
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 12:02:04 PM
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AmandaRadarRanger
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Is this the dude who wants to secede from the union? Now there's someone who judgement I respect!
He's just telling it like it is.........................
If this nation hadn't been dumbed down for
the last 60 years this would not be happening.
Well the governor of a state advocating that his state secede is pretty dumbed down. I'd have to check the 1949 archives to see if any governors were that dum then.
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 1:54:39 PM
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Is this the dude who wants to secede from the union? Now there's someone who judgement I respect!
He's just telling it like it is.........................
If this nation hadn't been dumbed down for
the last 60 years this would not be happening.
Well the governor of a state advocating that his state secede is pretty dumbed down. I'd have to check the 1949 archives to see if any governors were that dum then.
Do you have any comments on Obama being 'hell-bent' on socialism? Do you at least agree with that statement?
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 2:00:05 PM
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Is this the dude who wants to secede from the union? Now there's someone who judgement I respect!
Texas has no state income tax, and is in better shape financially than the other 49 states by far.
Praise God for a govenor who recognizes what Obama and crew is trying to do, and better yet that he has the intestional fortitude to say so.
Don't mess with Texas.
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 2:03:10 PM
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Amen!
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Is this the dude who wants to secede from the union? Now there's someone who judgement I respect!
Texas has no state income tax, and is in better shape financially than the other 49 states by far.
Praise God for a govenor who recognizes what Obama and crew is trying to do, and better yet that he has the intestional fortitude to say so.
Don't mess with Texas.
Thanks
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 2:03:39 PM
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Do you have any comments on Obama being 'hell-bent' on socialism? Do you at least agree with that statement?
No not really, but I'm not one who thinks regulating the amount of lead in baby formula is nascent socialism, so you're probably asking the wrong person.
In other words, I believe that a certain amount of what Mr. Perry probably defines as "socialism" is a very good thing.
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 2:04:27 PM
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Do you have any comments on Obama being 'hell-bent' on socialism? Do you at least agree with that statement?
I for one wouldn't say he's hell-bent. Like him though I do, I don't think Obama is hell-bent on anything, good or bad. I'll still take a quibbler over W though...
I do think Obama is taking us towards socialism, and I'm ok with that. Never seen a convincing case that European socialism is bad.
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 4:06:42 PM
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Rockwall - Do you have any comments on Obama being 'hell-bent' on socialism? Do you at least agree with that statement?
What the right calls "socialism" might better be stated as a containing of "free market" excess. Many here may choose to dismiss what is so blatantly obvious with regard to "corporate" greed but I believe a corrective adjustment is appropriate...if you want to call it socialism fine...I'm for it! Even Mr. Greenspan admitted he was wrong, objectivism...right.
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 4:47:50 PM
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Sure there is corporate greed but is that a reason to get the government involved with everything in our lives. They have shown they cannot manage anything, except for the military, well over the years. Witness Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. There is plenty of government greed to go around too: Consider porkbarrel spending, earmarks, etc.
Thanx but I'll trust corporations before I'll trust government, especially as it is today.
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Rockwall - Do you have any comments on Obama being 'hell-bent' on socialism? Do you at least agree with that statement?
What the right calls "socialism" might better be stated as a containing of "free market" excess. Many here may choose to dismiss what is so blatantly obvious with regard to "corporate" greed but I believe a corrective adjustment is appropriate...if you want to call it socialism fine...I'm for it! Even Mr. Greenspan admitted he was wrong, objectivism...right.
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 5:39:41 PM
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davemiller7 - Thanx but I'll trust corporations before I'll trust government, especially as it is today.
Curious...how exactly did we get into the worst recession since the Great Depression??? The average CEO makes 344 times the average worker...Wal-Mart CEO Lee Scott makes $ 15,000. an hour - the average worker at WM - $10. Does anyone read about AiG, United Health, WorldCom, Tyco, Wells Fargo, let us not forget Enron, Hewlett Packard, ... or then there is the fact that many CEO's tank there companies and walk away with there 100 plus millions!
So you choose to be plundered by corporate america...I will believe that the only way to thwart the excessive greed is by the government stepping in.
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 5:41:31 PM
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I will believe that the only way to thwart the excessive greed is by the government stepping in.
I just thought this quote had to be seen again.
The mind boggles....
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 5:45:06 PM
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I will believe that the only way to thwart the excessive greed is by the government stepping in.
I just thought this quote had to be seen again.
The mind boggles....
Do you have a better idea? Or do you believe that there is no such thing as excessive greed?
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 5:47:21 PM
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Who defines excessive?
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 5:55:43 PM
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Actually, Gov. Perry never called for secession: "There's a lot of different scenarios," Perry said. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot."
And, as for excessive greed, I think a person could make a very safe argument that politicians are as prone to "excessive" greed as any corporation. You can check Rep. William Jefferson's refrigerator for proof of that.
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 6:13:49 PM
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tafkam -Who defines excessive?
I think a rational human being could define it as and when - a CEO who tanks the company to the worst losses in it's history and walks away with $160 million in severance! Plenty of cases just like that...too bad for the employees that got let go...probably they didn't work hard enough.
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 6:29:47 PM
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Is this the dude who wants to secede from the union? Now there's someone who judgement I respect!
Texas has no state income tax, and is in better shape financially than the other 49 states by far.
Praise God for a govenor who recognizes what Obama and crew is trying to do, and better yet that he has the intestional fortitude to say so.
Don't mess with Texas.
Until the last few years, Texas was a net recipient of federal funds - i.e. they were on the dole. Bragging about them not having income tax is like a deadbeat bragging about how he can just collect a check every week w/o getting a job. Were it not for the petrochemical industry, they probably still would be on the dole. You can attract people & business w/ low taxes, but in order to retain them long-term, you need services (e.g. good schools) and improved QoL, which cost money. Watch Texas over the next 10-20 years and they'll probably start looking more like the other populous blue states.
-Dan.
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 6:34:45 PM
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Who defines excessive?
I guess that's a no.
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 6:36:15 PM
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Is this the dude who wants to secede from the union? Now there's someone who judgement I respect!
Texas has no state income tax, and is in better shape financially than the other 49 states by far.
Praise God for a govenor who recognizes what Obama and crew is trying to do, and better yet that he has the intestional fortitude to say so.
Don't mess with Texas.
Thanks
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Don't worry sweetheart. I wouldn't mess with Texas with a gas mask and a 50 foot stick.
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 7:32:26 PM
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Again, who defines excessive? And why is it that someone who makes a lot of money is automatically labeled as "greedy"? Talk about wealth envy.
I work in Christian music ministry, and I've literally had people tell me that anything beyond a tank of gas and a McDonalds meal for me is "excessive". Who decides? And do you want some government hack deciding how much YOU can make?
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 7:50:06 PM
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Again, who defines excessive?
We, as a society do. And please don't cast this as an issue of class-envy. That's bogus. This is an issue of moral hazard and shifting liabilities. If one person wants to work hard, risk their own money for some possible reward, fine. But when their risky behavior endangers others, there's a problem. When their compensation package reduces the exposure they have to their own mistakes, while leaving the rest of us exposed, there's a big problem. If you can go to work every day and either run a giant corporation into the ground or manipulate financial markets to the point of collapse, and still take home a giant paycheck after you've put thousands of people out of work, there's a huge problem.
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I work in Christian music ministry, and I've literally had people tell me that anything beyond a tank of gas and a McDonalds meal for me is "excessive".
And how many threads have you started complaining about it? They're both wrong.
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 7:52:39 PM
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Again, who defines excessive? And why is it that someone who makes a lot of money is automatically labeled as "greedy"? Talk about wealth envy.
I work in Christian music ministry, and I've literally had people tell me that anything beyond a tank of gas and a McDonalds meal for me is "excessive". Who decides? And do you want some government hack deciding how much YOU can make?
I consider excessive to be when you are Too Big To Fail and are forced to be bailed out with public funding. That would be one definition.
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 9:05:00 PM
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When their compensation package reduces the exposure they have to their own mistakes, while leaving the rest of us exposed, there's a big problem. If you can go to work every day and either run a giant corporation into the ground or manipulate financial markets to the point of collapse, and still take home a giant paycheck after you've put thousands of people out of work, there's a huge problem.
Nobody is saying CEOs should receive huge bonuses for driving companies into the ground. But there shouldn't be any law against receiving compensation based on the companies success.
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And how many threads have you started complaining about it? They're both wrong.
I'm not complaining; I personally find people with that mindset amusing. But it's a prime example of "what defines excessive". I don't want some government goon deciding what is acceptable compensation for my line of work or any other.....
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RE: TX Gov. Perry: Obama 'hell-bent' on socialism - 11/13/2009 9:09:27 PM
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It is an unfortunate situation we have gotten ourselves into. Obama didnt do it, Georgey (1 or 2) didnt do it ALONE. We the people have not held anyone accountable and no one has been manning the store.
Now things are gone awry. Big business fails, then the country fails. We have tied ourselves to them too closely. The correctives from the Obama administration are just necessary. I wish they werent, but these large corporations and these dirty politicians have sold us out.
Jobs are fleeing overseas daily. Capitalism has no patriotism. My allegiance is to my country , not to it's major corporations. They must be put back into second place in our lives. Some say we need less government, but I am of the opinion that we need less big business. After all anytime the economy can recover but the people still sufer that says to me that big business doesnt necessarily equal proseperous country.
Think about it, if business's continue to carry their work over seas, the only thing they will give america is tax dollars. The government will get the money, we will lose the jobs. Gee whizz at least let the government help us out!
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