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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 7:17:57 PM
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rlj
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There obviously were some red flags that were not taken seriously.
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Fort Hood shootings: FBI given gunman's name six months ago
The US Army major who killed 13 people in a shooting spree at America's biggest military base had come to the attention of the FBI six months earlier over possible links to extremist comments posted on the internet.
Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a devout Muslim who was trying to buy his way out of the Army, was suspected of being the author of postings which compared suicide bombers to heroic soldiers who throw themselves onto grenades to save others.
It also emerged that Hasan, 39, had described the US Army as "the aggressor" in Iraq and Afghanistan and was resisting a planned deployment to Afghanistan, raising questions over whether the military missed warning signs which might have prevented the massacre.
I wonder if they were not taken seriously, or if there are politically correct restraints on investigators not to pursue these types of things too strongly, for fear of being labeled "Islamophobic".
I like both of those comments- that there were red flags overlooked and the "why were they overlooked"?
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 7:20:33 PM
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I like both of those comments- that there were red flags overlooked and the "why were they overlooked"?
The reason the red flags were overlooked; Political Correctness?
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 7:42:54 PM
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Something's not adding up here. Last I heard there was one gunman, 2 handguns, 45 people dead or wounded? The police officer confronting him almost immediately? Either there was more than one shooter, larger arms or he was able to reload several times. Anybody hear anything to clarify this?
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 8:18:21 PM
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The initial news that broke here in the UK said that two other people had been arrested, but we've heard nothing more about that since.
I'm very curious, because either the report was wrong, or it could be that they're keeping quiet about the other two to try to make it look like it was down to just one loose cannon...............
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Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 8:27:00 PM
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The initial news that broke here in the UK said that two other people had been arrested, but we've heard nothing more about that since.
I'm very curious, because either the report was wrong, or it could be that they're keeping quiet about the other two to try to make it look like it was down to just one loose cannon...............
I can't find anything on them. I thought I heard that they were questioned and released.
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 9:28:45 PM
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And what connection has been made between him and any radical Islamic group or is he a lone nutcase trying to use his religion to justify his actions?
Islam in any form is dangerous and leads to death... While the more radical forms are more dangerous it's all leads to death...
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And what of other non-Mulsim murders that claim God told them to do it, do their mention of God make Christianity culpable?
A true belief in Christ isn't founded in evil while one in Muhammad is...
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, author of the book “Infidel” is a fascinating, very brave woman. She’s a former Muslim who abandoned that religion after 9/11 and since has spoken out against Islam. Not surprisingly, she has been the target of numerous death threats.
Talking about IF "Islam is a religion of peace" Ms. Ali bluntly said, “no!
Islam is NOT a religion of peace!”
She’s also made it clear that in her opinion it is not "a fringe group of radical Muslims who've hijacked Islam and that the majority of Muslims are moderate. She says, “Violence is inherent in Islam—it's a destructive, nihilistic cult of death. It legitimates murder."
Here is an interview she did with Glen Beck a while back.
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 10:28:54 PM
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Praying for all involved.
me too pink..the families of the deceased will have to work through so much grief and anger...as will those who were shot and survived.
This is beyond tragic. There is definitely more to the shooter's story than we are getting right now...from various reports warning signs about him were shown from many people many times.
I hope the truth really is revealed. Like so many other incidents the chances are pretty high the real story will never be told in public. That makes the grieving process so much more difficult.
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 11:56:19 PM
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I am deeply saddened by this event. The Army dropped the ball in the name of political correctness, to be sure. But I am distressed and dismayed by the fact that people with Arabic sounding names will be blamed for the actions of this Islamic jihadist. Personally, two of the best Christians and brothers in the Lord that I know sport Arabic names, having come from Iraq and Lebanon respectively.
I have another friend who is at least a "cultural Muslim" who is the most inoffensive of persons. He is as far from killing someone in the name of faith as an elephant is from flying.
Let us pray that God will grant us discernment to recognize His children and our unsaved Middle Eastern friends vis a vis those who would do us real harm.
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/7/2009 1:17:05 AM
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I find it ironic that those who are complaining about Islam are the very same ones who complained so loudly about the DHS report that warned that veterans may do things like this.
You can't possibly be suggesting that disgusting Napolitano report applies in this case, or should be applied to anything at all, for that matter. The anti- "right wing" extremist report.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5410658/DHS-Report-on-Right-Wing-Extremism
Nothing _But_Progressive_Left_Wing_Propaganda
Sorry. You got your "reports" more mixed up than Napolitano. The military needs to bring in more people like Michael Savage. He has already been invited back on an aircraft carrier. Here's the "report" that matters in this so-called "veteran's" case:
http://dearbornunderground.blogspot.com/
p.s. It's not a link about Islam either.
Maybe it's time to figure out what the priorities are other than sticking women on submarines.
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/7/2009 2:08:39 AM
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Personally, I think Kimberly Munley a commendation for not only stopping this guy, but for not killing him. I thought that earlier, there would be some type of collusion involved in this incident, but there is nothing of any value that they can extract from him, really. The only thing that would benefit authorities is what they are doing on the outside right now as far as computer files, communications, back tracking, etc.., like I said earlier in this topic.
But after this guy is all healed up and well again, the military can proceed with the formal protocol of courts martial, and the subsequent execution by hanging. The firing squad is considered to be more honorable. That in no way, shape, or form, applies here.
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/7/2009 3:39:12 AM
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I totally agree with rockominal as to the officer. I understand she is not IN the military but works for another police agency with authority on base. Otherwise I would suggest she get a medal for valor. As it is, she deserves any good thing the military could do for her.
Normally I would agree about hanging the guy. However, I have to wonder if that is the best course with people who are willing to sacrifice their lives for their "72 virgins". I think I would rather see him sentenced to life in prison, in solitary. This guy was prepared to die, giving away all his stuff and so forth. If so, 23 hours a day in high security cell would be the more effective punishment as he will have failed in his mission.
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/7/2009 9:48:04 AM
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Something's not adding up here. Last I heard there was one gunman, 2 handguns, 45 people dead or wounded? The police officer confronting him almost immediately? Either there was more than one shooter, larger arms or he was able to reload several times. Anybody hear anything to clarify this?
From what I read, three other soldiers were taken into custody for questioning....and then released later in the day. At this point, it's assumed he was the sole gunman.
According to this article, civilan police officer Kimberly Munley (a former MP) arrived four minutes after the shooting started and quickly located and took out the shooter (while receiving fire).
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/7/2009 9:57:33 AM
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The Army dropped the ball in the name of political correctness
Nobody knows that. But I agree there are red flags...which obviously stand out in hind sight. I'm waiting for the investigation to finish...which likely will take months.
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/7/2009 11:12:05 AM
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Something's not adding up here. Last I heard there was one gunman, 2 handguns, 45 people dead or wounded? The police officer confronting him almost immediately? Either there was more than one shooter, larger arms or he was able to reload several times. Anybody hear anything to clarify this?
The rampage lasted 4 minutes.
There were 500 people in a realitivly small room and as they fled to the exits the shooter followed them, when he exited the building he was confronted by local police who were responding to a 911 call.
Depending on the typle pistol and without extended magazines two pistols without reloading could fire 34 to 44 times. With extended magazines (readily available where ever he bought the guns could bring the nubmer of firings to 100 or even more.
500 unarmed folks trying to flee out a couple of regular sized doors from a small room, being followed behind by a terrorist firing at them from very close range brings the incident into believability.
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/7/2009 12:53:21 PM
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Survivors Say Fort Hood Gunman Shot the Wounded Again
Survivors of the Fort Hood massacre described today how Major Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly gunned down unarmed soldiers, and then shot them again as they lay wounded on the floor. Investigators believe more than 100 shots were fired from Hasan's gun in a matter of minutes. He was described as calm and methodical in his attack, pausing only to reload. Soldier Keara Bono survived the onslaught although she was wounded slightly in the back and grazed in the head.
Bono told "Good Morning America" today that she initially thought the scene of Hasan standing up, praising Allah and starting to fire was a drill. She didn't believe it was real even when she felt her own blood, she said. "Then I looked to my left and right and I saw people that were bleeding," she said. That's when Bono realized that Hasan's rampage wasn't a drill.
"I started crawling, I called 911 with my phone to my side... and I turned back and looked at him. He was about two body lengths away from me, longways, shooting people on the ground still. So I was just waiting to get shot in the back," she said.
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/7/2009 1:14:51 PM
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Praying for all involved.
me too pink..the families of the deceased will have to work through so much grief and anger...as will those who were shot and survived.
I would even pray for the shooter himself. Pray that he repents of his sins.
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/7/2009 3:40:27 PM
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I am deeply saddened by this event. The Army dropped the ball in the name of political correctness, to be sure. But I am distressed and dismayed by the fact that people with Arabic sounding names will be blamed for the actions of this Islamic jihadist. Personally, two of the best Christians and brothers in the Lord that I know sport Arabic names, having come from Iraq and Lebanon respectively.
I have another friend who is at least a "cultural Muslim" who is the most inoffensive of persons. He is as far from killing someone in the name of faith as an elephant is from flying.
Let us pray that God will grant us discernment to recognize His children and our unsaved Middle Eastern friends vis a vis those who would do us real harm.
Oh please STOP already! Nobody is going to blame anybody with an Arabic sounding name unless they're radical Jihadist's or sympathizers! This hyper-active navel-gazing and worrying about "how people will react" is baseless, and it is a symptom of the weakness and failure of will being demonstrated by Western leaders and media.
Moderate Muslims are blame-worthy in the sense that very few of them speak out, let alone take action, against the radicals in their midst. They are not victims when these things happen, nor are they culpable, but if they continue to appease and enable, by their silence and inaction, the radical murdering Jihadists, then they should not expect to be shielded from criticism.
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/7/2009 4:09:07 PM
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Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists
Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001.
Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother's funeral was held there in May that year.
The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organisations.
Hasan's eyes "lit up" when he mentioned his deep respect for al-Awlaki's teachings, according to a fellow Muslim officer at the Fort Hood base in Texas, the scene of Thursday's horrific shooting spree.
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/7/2009 4:41:45 PM
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Just posting information.
This isn't meant to be directed at you Steph but at the article. I'm not finger pointing at W or B0 when I say this but here goes:
How in the name of all that is holy with all of the new laws, tools, etc. that our intelligence agencies have can this guy pull this off? Why on earth did this get missed? I'm trying to figure out how an officer in the military can frequent a place like this, with those kinds of people and have it not raise some form of something. How can there still be this kind of an intelligence breakdown?
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/7/2009 4:55:34 PM
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Just posting information.
This isn't meant to be directed at you Steph but at the article. I'm not finger pointing at W or B0 when I say this but here goes:
How in the name of all that is holy with all of the new laws, tools, etc. that our intelligence agencies have can this guy pull this off? Why on earth did this get missed? I'm trying to figure out how an officer in the military can frequent a place like this, with those kinds of people and have it not raise some form of something. How can there still be this kind of an intelligence breakdown?
Political Correctness
Lobbying from the likes of CAIR
Look at the reaction in this thread alone. We can't even really discuss the implications of the truth about Islam as practiced by a good sized segment of the population on a Christian forum without being personally attacked and accused of being "haters".
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/7/2009 5:08:16 PM
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I am deeply saddened by this event. The Army dropped the ball in the name of political correctness, to be sure. But I am distressed and dismayed by the fact that people with Arabic sounding names will be blamed for the actions of this Islamic jihadist. Personally, two of the best Christians and brothers in the Lord that I know sport Arabic names, having come from Iraq and Lebanon respectively.
I have another friend who is at least a "cultural Muslim" who is the most inoffensive of persons. He is as far from killing someone in the name of faith as an elephant is from flying.
Let us pray that God will grant us discernment to recognize His children and our unsaved Middle Eastern friends vis a vis those who would do us real harm.
Oh please STOP already! Nobody is going to blame anybody with an Arabic sounding name unless they're radical Jihadist's or sympathizers! This hyper-active navel-gazing and worrying about "how people will react" is baseless, and it is a symptom of the weakness and failure of will being demonstrated by Western leaders and media.
Moderate Muslims are blame-worthy in the sense that very few of them speak out, let alone take action, against the radicals in their midst. They are not victims when these things happen, nor are they culpable, but if they continue to appease and enable, by their silence and inaction, the radical murdering Jihadists, then they should not expect to be shielded from criticism.
Actualy he's right in what he's saying. There's been quite a few people on this very forum who have equated those who are of Islamic faith as nothing but terrorist, even to the point where a few have advocated that their families be wiped out (yes, that was mentioned on this forum more than a few times by some, but those thread are so old that they've been pruned from the search for me to link to it for proof).
This is a nation and will continue to be a nation (whether some of you like or not) that is for all faiths, Christian, Islamic, Jewish, ect., that's what makes this country so much different than others. To vilify a whole group of people, based on their ethnicity and religion, because of the actions of a few, is wrong. Going back to what one poster wrote, there have some in this country who have committed acts in the name of Jesus and claimed they were Christians, does that somehow make all Christians bad? No, so why can't some of you apply that to those of the Muslim faith?
I don't think all Muslim groups in America need to speak out each and every time someone who claims to share their faith does something so evil. It's no needed, because those with good sense know that not all Muslims are evil....sheesh.
One thing is clear, we don't know all the facts just yet, we have bits and pieces and speculation, so it's best to just wait until the whole story comes out before some of you continue your rants about this being about his faith or Obama for that matter. 
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/7/2009 5:51:35 PM
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Actualy he's right in what he's saying. There's been quite a few people on this very forum who have equated those who are of Islamic faith as nothing but terrorist
Oh I don't think that all of the Islamic faith are nothing but terrorist; but isn't it ironic that all terrorist are of the Islamic faith?
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