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Along with the dead another great tragedy is this shooter was the one counseling our men and women who were suffering from PTSD and in critical need of professional assistance in coping with their own mental health issues.

The sense of betrayal is almost unfathomable.

Yes. And any sense of saftey they had while present in a US military installation has now been shattered.

A report on the radio this mornning indicated that 30 percent of scuicides (in the military) occur prior to a deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan and another 30 percent occur during post deployment.

so basically it's a wash? For a great many who deploy they will be over there for a year then back here 18 months to two years (yes some are more frequent). So essentially the numbers are very roughly one third in the deployment which makes up about one third of their time and two thirds happen where they spend the other two thirds of their time.

...the point being many soldiers do take their lives prior to entering the combat area. I would not have guessed that to be the case.

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I studied Islam before 9/11 and I am aware of its agendas and distortions of Truth. Islam doesn't teach its members to kill people that simply irk you or happen to be nearby when you go off the deep end.

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I do not judge the action of a single mass murderer without facts (truth), regardless of his religion.

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And what connection has been made between him and any radical Islamic group or is he a lone nutcase trying to use his religion to justify his actions?

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And what of other non-Mulsim murders that claim God told them to do it, do their mention of God make Christianity culpable?

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It is a shame that this thread has fallen to a "bash Islam" thread.

You might want to move to another country if you are looking for citizens to defend a mass murderer who infiltrated their Military and killed innocent Military personnel.

It's not bashing- it's reality some of us support our Military and appreciate their sacrifices every day. We also have no kind words for a man who opens fire on them .

Bashing the person is one thing, bashing a billion plus people is quite another. I have in no way defended this man himself.

He disgusts me with his treatment of his oath as an officer. Nothing else really matters much to me.

We are winding down a fight for over 25 million Iraqi Muslims, should we have simply exterminated them? Seems a little wrong to condemn everyone in a religion when we've shed so much blood for people of that religion.

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From what I've heard and read, it sounds like this sick psychiatrist has listened to too many PTSD war stories. The fact that he cleaned his apartment sounds like he was probably trying to do the suicide-by-cop thing.

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From what I've heard and read, it sounds like this sick psychiatrist has listened to too many PTSD war stories. The fact that he cleaned his apartment sounds like he was probably trying to do the suicide-by-cop thing.

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I'm not really sure how a base works on the inside, and I haven't yet talked to my father about it to see, but how is it possible that a guy could single-handedly strike 40 people in a military instillation without being stopped first? For crying out loud, my wife's school has an officer with a gun on every floor.

-Ross

From what i understand he attacked at a deployment readiness center. The soldiers are waiting to deploy and are unarmed or at least without ammunition and there aren't generally guards in the room with them. He could cause alot of damage before he could be reached.

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Update from AP:

KILLEEN, Texas – An apartment complex manager says the man accused of opening fire at Fort Hood, Texas recently had a religious bumper sticker torn off his car.

The manager, John Thompson, says a fellow soldier allegedly keyed Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's car and ripped up the bumper sticker. Thompson says the soldier had been to Iraq and was upset to learn Hasan was Muslim.

Thompson, who manages the Killeen, Texas complex where Hasan lives, says the bumper sticker read: "Allah is Love." In Arabic, Allah means God.

A report filed on Aug. 16 with Killeen police says Hasan's car had been scratched causing $1,000 worth of damage. The report says an Army employee had been arrested. It didn't provide more details about what happened.

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Update from AP:

KILLEEN, Texas – An apartment complex manager says the man accused of opening fire at Fort Hood, Texas recently had a religious bumper sticker torn off his car.

The manager, John Thompson, says a fellow soldier allegedly keyed Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's car and ripped up the bumper sticker. Thompson says the soldier had been to Iraq and was upset to learn Hasan was Muslim.

Thompson, who manages the Killeen, Texas complex where Hasan lives, says the bumper sticker read: "Allah is Love." In Arabic, Allah means God.

A report filed on Aug. 16 with Killeen police says Hasan's car had been scratched causing $1,000 worth of damage. The report says an Army employee had been arrested. It didn't provide more details about what happened.

Of course who Muslims pray to isn't God...

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Ross, there's some speculation that friendly fire accounted for some of the shootings.

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"We've known for the last five years that that [deployment] was probably his worst nightmare," Nader Hasan said. "He would tell us how he hears horrific things...that was probably affecting him psychologically."

The cousin said Maj. Hasan had joined the military out of high school against the wishes of his parents. He added that Maj. Hasan, a Muslim, hired a military lawyer and had been trying since September to avoid deployment and leave the Army.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125750297355533413.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories

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Allah = "moon god"
Chosen by muhammad as the one above the thousands of others.

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I don't understand why he was in the Army if he was opposed to the mission.....or perhaps he thought deployment to a combat zone was never a possibility....

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Ross, there's some speculation that friendly fire accounted for some of the shootings.

I'd like to make a wager that nothing of the sort is the case.

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A source told NPR's Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.

A neighbor of Hasan's, Patricia Villa, told The Associated Press that he had cleaned out his apartment in the days before the attack and offered her some items, including a copy of the Quran. She said he told her that he was being deployed on Friday.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120159765

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Fort Hood shootings: FBI given gunman's name six months ago

The US Army major who killed 13 people in a shooting spree at America's biggest military base had come to the attention of the FBI six months earlier over possible links to extremist comments posted on the internet.

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a devout Muslim who was trying to buy his way out of the Army, was suspected of being the author of postings which compared suicide bombers to heroic soldiers who throw themselves onto grenades to save others.

It also emerged that Hasan, 39, had described the US Army as "the aggressor" in Iraq and Afghanistan and was resisting a planned deployment to Afghanistan, raising questions over whether the military missed warning signs which might have prevented the massacre.

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Update from AP:

KILLEEN, Texas – An apartment complex manager says the man accused of opening fire at Fort Hood, Texas recently had a religious bumper sticker torn off his car.

The manager, John Thompson, says a fellow soldier allegedly keyed Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's car and ripped up the bumper sticker. Thompson says the soldier had been to Iraq and was upset to learn Hasan was Muslim.

Thompson, who manages the Killeen, Texas complex where Hasan lives, says the bumper sticker read: "Allah is Love." In Arabic, Allah means God.

A report filed on Aug. 16 with Killeen police says Hasan's car had been scratched causing $1,000 worth of damage. The report says an Army employee had been arrested. It didn't provide more details about what happened.

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There obviously were some red flags that were not taken seriously.

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Fort Hood shootings: FBI given gunman's name six months ago

The US Army major who killed 13 people in a shooting spree at America's biggest military base had come to the attention of the FBI six months earlier over possible links to extremist comments posted on the internet.

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a devout Muslim who was trying to buy his way out of the Army, was suspected of being the author of postings which compared suicide bombers to heroic soldiers who throw themselves onto grenades to save others.

It also emerged that Hasan, 39, had described the US Army as "the aggressor" in Iraq and Afghanistan and was resisting a planned deployment to Afghanistan, raising questions over whether the military missed warning signs which might have prevented the massacre.