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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/5/2009 9:14:14 PM   
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Apparently the shooter isn't dead.... live news conference from Ft. Hood.

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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/5/2009 9:48:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wing2000

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ORIGINAL: cow451

Here is photo of Hasan's Army Brief. Note he's a Va Tech grad, ironically. Again, this is off twitterland, so unverified.



...unverified. That describes much of the information passing over the airwaves unfortunately. Give it 24 hours...


Rockwall posted that earlier, so it must be true.

A bit more info:
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A former Fort Hood colleague of the shooter said Hasan would frequently make "outlandish" comments.

"He said maybe Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor," retired Col. Terry Lee told Fox News. "At first we thought he meant help the armed forces, but apparently that wasn't the case. Other times he would make comments we shouldn't be in the war in the first place."

Hasan had been optimistic that President Obama would start pulling troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, Lee said, but when that didn't happen as quickly as he hoped, Hasan became angry.
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Authorities are questioning whether this is the same Nidal Hasan who replied this on 05/20/2009:
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There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.
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Also, the shooter is actually alive:
quote:

Army: Fort Hood shooting rampage suspect is alive

"His death is not imminent," said Lt. Gen. Bob Cone at Fort Hood. He offered little explanation for the mistake, other than to say there was confusion at the hospital.

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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 12:58:47 AM   
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I don't get it. Who are this guy's relatives? Where are they now? What brings the guy from the mideast in order to join the U.S. Armed Forces?
What was he before he "converted" to Islam?

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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 1:44:23 AM   
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One irony is this nutjob was apparently a psychiatrist.


From other things I've heard of the psychiatric field, it's not that ironic. Self actualization, which is big in psychology is one of the main topics in Hinduism as well. Hindus thought of it first.

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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 1:46:34 AM   
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This just in:

I don't know what the guy converted to or from, but this is what I read.


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Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Silver Spring, Md., said he spoke often with Hasan about how Hasan wanted to find a wife. Hasan was a lifelong Muslim and attended prayers regularly, often in his Army uniform, Khan said.



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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 1:47:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rockominal

I don't get it. Who are this guy's relatives? Where are they now? What brings the guy from the mideast in order to join the U.S. Armed Forces?
What was he before he "converted" to Islam?


He was born in Virginia and, apparently, has always been a Muslim.

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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 2:28:31 AM   
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I hope they keep this guy alive for a real, real long time. Police investigators need to start visiting or infiltrating that mosque he belongs to. All sorts of things to do on this one. It's about time America quits worrying about whose foreign toes we step on. Some 120 day wonder that goes to Bethesda for internship?

Yep. Let's not "jump" to conclusions, like Rick Savage would do. I thought I might post a clip from a RECENT article of the Arab American newspaper.

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9/11 was the first time America suffered what Arabs have been experiencing for at least 60 years - what it feels like to have defenseless civilians attacked by American aircraft. The chickens indeed did come home to roost, as Rev. Wright suggested, but he was instantly vilified by the Jewish-biased media for saying that.


Nice philosphy from the arab "American's" around town. We are getting a taste of our own medicine; whatever that's supposed to mean. Maybe it means that since America has experienced the "tough love" lesson of 9/11, now we can relate better somehow, or something.
Sorta like putting the masses in their respective places before they get any wise ideas about lashing out; just as everyone was put in their place after 9/11. As the ongoing socially correct saga continues....

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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 3:22:51 AM   
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I hope they keep this guy alive for a real, real long time. Police investigators need to start visiting or infiltrating that mosque he belongs to.


Indeed. I mean a "real" long time in order to extract what information they are able to get. Otherwise, the U.S. military has traditions and laws, that have existed long before the ACLU. Somehow or another, this guy managed to get indoctrinated, so there you have it. The precedence has been and is execution by firing squad.
Execution by hanging is most noted during the civil war, but in regards to collusion ( if anyone else is involved in this case):

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George Washington, commander in chief of the Continental Army, used military tribunals instead of civil courts to try unlawful combatants regularly during the Revolutionary War. The most famous case was his signing the death warrant for the hanging of Maj. John Andre, the British officer who conspired with Benedict Arnold.



I don't see where that has been removed at all.
There is also, of course, Mary Surratt after the Lincoln assassination. I don't like to think about that much, again, not that I like to think about it to begin with. However I did think about that piece of unprecedented U.S. history when I considered the fact that all those "detainees" in guantanamo bay are not only still alive, but are set to be moved to greener pastures.
It's amazing how America has changed, but not this time. If he would have committed murder while he was an arab "American" civilian then, under the current flow of justice, I could see how he would get away with it; pretty much like this guy:

http://www.terrorismfiles.org/individuals/ramzi_yousef.html

Not this time.

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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 4:46:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Harvie

He was born in Virginia and, apparently, has always been a Muslim.


You know for a fact that the guy was born in Virginia? I haven't heard much coverage on that issue except for this:

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"I don't know why he listed Palestinian," Khan said, "He was not born in Palestine."


which comes from a former imam named Faizul Khan, who I'm sure is an excellent source for legitimate birth records in the United States.

But again, so far I haven't been able to find anything regarding this guy's biological parents. We do see that he has a cousin, also apparently living in this country, by the name of Nader Hasan who said

quote:

“He was born and raised here.. He never got in any trouble.”



He [the murderer's cousin] also said his cousin had not previously exhibited violent tendencies.

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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 6:20:56 AM   
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*sigh* how long on until this gets turned into "Obama can't keep us safe"?



This doesn't seem like a comment that is 'on topic'
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 7:21:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tarox

*sigh* how long on until this gets turned into "Obama can't keep us safe"?



This doesn't seem like a comment that is 'on topic'



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ORIGINAL: rcjames
Someone from Ft. Hood that new the assissin said he was mad at Obama for not keeping his word and stopping the war against Islam.

He was being shipped out next month and was very vocal about not going, and that he had been (or was still) under investigation for these outbust against the war and Obama.

Still early.

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Nope, it's on topic..
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 7:37:45 AM   
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This is so sad. My SIL's BIL is at Fort Hood, although he's safe. It's so tragic.

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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 8:00:05 AM   
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Along with the dead another great tragedy is this shooter was the one counseling our men and women who were suffering from PTSD and in critical need of professional assistance in coping with their own mental health issues.

The sense of betrayal is almost unfathomable.
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 8:05:54 AM   
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FOX News just reported that Hasan uttered cries of "Allahu Akbar!" ("Allah is the greatest") as he was murdering his compatriots.

More deaths to lay at the feet of the "peaceful" religion of Islam, a religion from the pit of Hell. But Oh! If we pay extra attention to Muslims in our military and communities, that is "racial profiling" or "discrimination". Poppycock. Quite frankly, the US Military is guilty of negligence int he deaths of these innocent soldiers, as they ignored the self-proclamations of Hasan as being a "radical Muslim" and interested in suicide bombings.

Political correctness at its worst.

Islam is an evil religion, founded by an evil man and whatever demonic influences were at work on him.

EDIT: removed my conclusion that seemed to celebrate the fact that Hasan will spend eternity in Hell. That is sad, and not something to celebrate. My apologies.

< Message edited by ManimalX -- 11/7/2009 3:11:58 AM >


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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 9:34:34 AM   
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A general reported that the medical degrees obtained by this
killer was paid by us. He got a free education, internship, etc.
at our expense.

"That a person would get a $500,000 education at our expense
and then repay it by murdering 12 soldiers is disgusting."

Profiling is not politically correct, but I can guarantee that I have
always profiled and will continue to profile people. I've done that
every day of my life in every avenue of life. We profile each other
here in these forums. But we lack the eye to eye contact which
is an essential tool.

The killers cousin said he was a muslim and a good american.
That's an oxymoron.

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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 9:44:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
The killers cousin said he was a muslim and a good american.
That's an oxymoron.


I can't imagine why we would have angry, disgruntled muslims in America.
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 9:44:37 AM   
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quote:

"That a person would get a $500,000 education at our expense
and then repay it by murdering 12 soldiers is disgusting."


This I agree with.

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The killers cousin said he was a muslim and a good american.
That's an oxymoron.


This I don't. I think it's very unhelpful, really.


This could go two ways. It is totally possible the killer was a jihadist with connections. It's also possible he was a really bad individual who acted on his own.

Either way, the killers family did not apologize for him or try to excuse what he did, at least not in the statement I heard. They said *they* were Muslims who loved America, and that they were very sorry for the destruction their relative had caused.

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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 9:55:36 AM   
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Troubling portrait emerges of Fort Hood suspect


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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 10:23:04 AM   
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It is a shame that this thread has fallen to a "bash Islam" thread. I find it ironic that those who are complaining about Islam are the very same ones who complained so loudly about the DHS report that warned that veterans may do things like this. Perhaps had the DHS ideas and suggestions been taken more seriously this could have been avoided? Now that I have dropped myself to your level I'll continue.

Interesting piece on Fox about this man:

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WASHINGTON — His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.

There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive.

For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572509,00.html

It is a shame that he snapped but then human beings aren't meant to fight wars let alone have to fight them in never ending tours for 100 years. While this is depressing and sad I wonder how many more times we will see this over the next few years? While he didn't serve over in the theater yet he did have to deal firsthand with those who did.

What bothers me most however is the fact that he disregarded his most solemn oath:

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"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)


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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 10:24:23 AM   
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"That a person would get a $500,000 education at our expense
and then repay it by murdering 12 soldiers is disgusting."



The money means absolutely nothing to me. He broke his oath as an officer which is priceless IMHO.

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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 10:38:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ManimalX

FOX News just reported that Hasan uttered cries of "Allahu Akbar!" ("Allah is the greatest") as he was murdering his compatriots.

More deaths to lay at the feet of the "peaceful" religion of Islam, a religion from the pit of Hell. But Oh! If we pay extra attention to Muslims in our military and communities, that is "racial profiling" or "discrimination". Poppycock. Quite frankly, the US Military is guilty of negligence int he deaths of these innocent soldiers, as they ignored the self-proclamations of Hasan as being a "radical Muslim" and interested in suicide bombings.

Political correctness at its worst.

Islam is an evil religion, founded by an evil man and whatever demonic influences were at work on him.

At least we know that Hasan will be residing in the eternal place of his evil religion.


At first the news had tried to say this was not a "terroristic attack", but now obviously it was. As more and more details come out, it was obviously done in the name of his god.

Update: 13 are now dead.

A few more red flags:

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A source tells NPR's Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.
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He also gave away most of his furniture to neighbors and copies of the Quran before the attack, which may indicate he had planned on either dying or not coming back (incarceration maybe?).

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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 10:41:40 AM   
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....it's telling how some are willing to jump to conclusions while the facts of this event and this individual are still in coming in....
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 10:45:45 AM   
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I'm not really sure how a base works on the inside, and I haven't yet talked to my father about it to see, but how is it possible that a guy could single-handedly strike 40 people in a military instillation without being stopped first? For crying out loud, my wife's school has an officer with a gun on every floor.

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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 10:46:13 AM   
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Rockwall posted that earlier, so it must be true.



....yea, it must be true.

P.S. I wasn't aware we signed up for the Rockwall news service.
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RE: Shooting in Fort Hood - Texas - 11/6/2009 10:51:12 AM   
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Ross, there's some speculation that friendly fire accounted for some of the shootings. I'm sure it was complete chaos and there may have been soldiers who were trying to stop the shooter but got shot by mistake, or others who got caught in the crossfire.

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