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RE: Election day--Republicans win victory in Virginia! - 11/4/2009 1:25:43 PM
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mapachito13
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Here's one guy that bucked the trend.
"ALBANY, N.Y. – President Barack Obama's decision in June to appoint a Republican congressman to a Pentagon post has paid dividends in November now that Democrats have gained the House seat by capitalizing on a split between moderates and conservatives in the GOP.
Lawyer and retired Air Force Capt. Bill Owens won the special election Tuesday in northern New York in which the Republican candidate withdrew over the weekend under pressure from the party's right wing and GOP heavyweights endorsed the Conservative Party nominee.
Owens said he hopes to bring the heavily Republican district together after the contentious race left the GOP with one less seat in this bluest of states.
The GOP had represented the region for more than a century. Republican John McHugh vacated the seat to become Army secretary."
People are fed up with the way things are right now and I don't think they will be voting for the other guy as a form of protest as opposed to endorsing any political agenda or party.
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RE: Election day--Republicans win victory in Virginia! - 11/4/2009 1:33:01 PM
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Lapidoth
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"Our challenges aren't Democratic or Republican. They're not liberal or conservative. They are American challenges that we will overcome with American resolve," Owens said in his victory speech. "The only way that we can create jobs and attract economic development to our communities is by bringing people of all parties together and giving everyone a seat at the table."
I like that. Same thing Christy said in New Hampshire.
We have to work together.
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RE: Election day--Republicans win victory in Virginia! - 11/4/2009 1:56:12 PM
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mapachito13
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"Our challenges aren't Democratic or Republican. They're not liberal or conservative. They are American challenges that we will overcome with American resolve," Owens said in his victory speech. "The only way that we can create jobs and attract economic development to our communities is by bringing people of all parties together and giving everyone a seat at the table."
I like that. Same thing Christy said in New Hampshire.
We have to work together.
If only they mean it. But then either party just does what benefits the "Political Donor Party" giving lip service to the rest of us of the named parties. This is why we need term limits for Congress and the Senate.
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RE: Election day--Republicans win victory in Virginia! - 11/4/2009 4:44:25 PM
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Lapidoth
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I agree on the term limits................
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RE: Election day--Republicans win victory in Virginia! - 11/4/2009 8:34:34 PM
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The GOP candidates won BECAUSE THEY GOT CENTRIST VOTES.
Who voted for conservative ideals. Conservative ideals wins the "centrist" votes and it does so all the time, IF, it is conservative.
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I vote based on my principles, not on the letter next to a candidate's name.
...and how many times is that letter a D?
As somone who had lived in McHugh's district for years, I can tell you the area has changed some with the expansion of Fort Drum and the influx of crime.
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RE: Election day--Republicans win victory in Virginia! - 11/4/2009 8:46:12 PM
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The spin-meisters are dizzying themselves about NY 23rd, but really, when was the last time the Conservative Party candidate in any election got over even 5%? If the GOP party bosses hadn't screwed this race up with a designated liberal candidate, the seat would probably have gone to the Reps. Instead, all they got for their $1 million dollars was a Dem in the seat with an endorsement from their candidate. What incompetence!
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RE: Election day--Republicans win victory in Virginia! - 11/5/2009 2:01:57 AM
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I saw a clip on PBS this evening saying that John Corzine and Mike Bloomberg, together, have spent over $400 million on their election campaigns in the last few years. Just the two of them. That's simply insane. Now money can't buy you victory, but when you have to spend that amount of money just for the chance of getting elected, there is something vastly wrong with the system.
Other countries have placed tight limits on campaign spending (in exchange for free TV time in some places) and thus allows those who are elected to get on with their jobs without having to spend every waking hour worrying about funding the next campaign (and scratching the backs of the lobbyists who give them the cash) and it helps the challengers too, since they do not have to be brilliant fundraisers or individually wealthy to run for office.
Sadly nobody is interested in doing anything about it. We've already had the first billion dollar campaign -- we'll soon be at five or even ten billion at some point.
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RE: Election day--Republicans win victory in Virginia! - 11/5/2009 6:39:05 AM
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I saw a clip on PBS this evening saying that John Corzine and Mike Bloomberg, together, have spent over $400 million on their election campaigns in the last few years. Just the two of them. That's simply insane. Now money can't buy you victory, but when you have to spend that amount of money just for the chance of getting elected, there is something vastly wrong with the system.
Other countries have placed tight limits on campaign spending (in exchange for free TV time in some places) and thus allows those who are elected to get on with their jobs without having to spend every waking hour worrying about funding the next campaign (and scratching the backs of the lobbyists who give them the cash) and it helps the challengers too, since they do not have to be brilliant fundraisers or individually wealthy to run for office.
Sadly nobody is interested in doing anything about it. We've already had the first billion dollar campaign -- we'll soon be at five or even ten billion at some point.
I don't know about Corzine, but Bloomberg paid for most of that himself. He's worth $16 Billion.
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RE: Election day--Republicans win victory in Virginia! - 11/5/2009 8:14:29 AM
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I heard Corzine had spent $24 million of his own money.....righteous bucks....
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RE: Election day--Republicans win victory in Virginia! - 11/5/2009 10:16:39 AM
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How about the removal of the ability to spend 80% of your time running for office, all the while ignoring the job you were sent to DC to do in the first place? What other career lets you be absent that much and still have a job to come back to.
Politicians should be allowed to run campaigns in their off hours, or take vacation time, or a corresponding cut in pay. Campaigns should also be confined to the six months leading up to election day.
And by George, when I'm king, so it shall be..... 
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RE: Election day--Republicans win victory in Virginia! - 11/10/2009 7:05:14 AM
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The removal of the influence of money in campaigns would be a boon for this country. (As I believe term limits would be also.) How to do it without creating another failure point for corruption is the real trick.
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The conventional wisdom is that campaign money is the problem. I have a different view. I think the willingness of the electorate to let themselves be influenced by campaigns that are shallow, manipulative, and costly is at the heart of the problem. The money spent on such campaigns is just a symptom.
The age of information empowers deceivers as well as truth tellers. This was true in Gutenberg's day, and it's even more true now. The age of information will become the age of truth only to the extent that people learn how to use the information stream (and the disinformation stream) to discern the truth.
My advice to Christians would be from Romans 12:1,2.
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RE: Election day--Republicans win victory in Virginia! - 11/10/2009 7:30:58 AM
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I think that what we need in the US is a center right coalition. Conservatives think they can win just by being true to conservative principles, and the center will have to go along. That's a recipe for minority status, in my opinion. The Bush conservatives ruled with 51% of the votes. When that slipped to 47%, they were out. A real center right coalition would be more durable than that. (One could argue that the Bush conservatives weren't really conservative. I'll leave that for later discussion.)
One could argue that Reagan put together a center right coalition, and Gingrich kept it together.
Bill Clinton was able to form a center left coalition. That coalition was pretty powerful, even though leftists were outraged when Clinton did things like sign the welfare reform act or the religious freedom reform act. The coalition was not strong enough to put Gore in office, even though he did win a majority of the voters.
A center right coalition cannot take conservatives for granted. That's how the seat in far northern New York was lost. But it can't take the center for granted either. The center isn't just made up of conservatives who won't admit that they are conservatives. It also includes people who are genuine moderates, who want real change, but whose values don't match up well with either conservative values or liberal values.
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