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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/4/2009 12:53:10 PM
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Romans chapter 7 is about living with the sinful nature still in control. Thankfully, Paul did not stop at chapter 7 and neither should we! God wants us to live according to the Spirit - Romans 8:5-6. Those who live according to their sinful nature can never please God - Romans 8:8. But when Christ lives in us, we are alive because of His righteousness - Romans 8:10. So those who are led by God's Spirit are His children - Romans 8:14. That is why you don't want to focus on Romans 7, insn, but live every day in Romans 8!  Amen...you must read Romans 8
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I've been struggling for quite some time with habitual sins, and am discouraged to the point that getting out of bed is difficult to do. The truth is, I don't know how to overcome sin. I know that we can't do anything without the power of the Holy Spirit, but I'm not sure how to use that power.
insndreamer, you are not alone, and your frustration is not unique. All believers struggle in the flesh. If the Apostle Paul wrote about his struggles, who are we to think we won't struggle in our own flesh.
Galatians 2:20 says: I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
If you are a believer, you are to live your life in the body by faith. So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. You need to get the word of God in you so that the Holy Spirit will give you the power to overcome and resist the th to give into your "struggles, habits, and sin". I know this sounds easier said than done, but God's word is powerful, and it will never return unto Him void. He is a God of promise, and He knows the desires of our hearts. You have to believe that He will finish the work that He started in you.
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How do I die to myself? I know that it's a daily thing, but I can't even do it for one day, let alone every day! I know that God has already given me the grace to do it, and I certainly desire to do it (my spirit does, not my flesh), so what am I doing wrong?
Can anyone lay it out for me, exactly how you go about using the power of the Holy Spirit to overcome? I'm looking for a more detailed answer than just trust and obey.
You die daily by taking the focus off of you...and put your focus on your Saviour, and rejoice in HIM. You said God has given you the grace to do it, so start believing that everyday you have a new opportunity to allow God to help you overcome your struggles. Everyday you have been given the privilege to give ALL your "struggles, habits, and sin" to Him. Everyday you get a fresh start to love yourself as Christ loves YOU. Everyday you have the wonderful opportunity to be victorious in Christ Jesus. He loves YOU...He died for YOU...He lives for YOU.
Just take one at a time,
(Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. Matt. 6:34),
Don't stay stuck on yesterday,
(Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, Philippians 3:13)
Everyday encourage yourself by saying..."I am victorious in Christ Jesus", "I can do all things by Christ Jesus who strengthens me" "I am the righteousness of God by Christ Jesus" "with God, All things are possible"..."Jesus is the author and finisher of my faith".
Encourage yourself with His Word. 
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I know it's all in the Word, but unfortunately there is still a lot in the Bible that I don't understand. Just when I think I know what it means, I read something else that seems to be saying the opposite. God will show me in due time. In the meantime, I'm just trying to get some perspective from others.
Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Colossians 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
Again, you are not alone, and your frustrations are not unique. No one has overcome sin,(except Jesus) and will not overcome sin until we are changed.
1 Corinthians 15:51-57
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Please remember that in our flesh dwells no good thing, but we have victory through Jesus to be more than conquerors, and our flesh can be brought under subjection. But if we fail, (and we will) God can wipe our slate clean when we repent, and we get a chance to try again. I will keep you in my prayers, and I'm looking forward to reading your victorious testimony... 
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1 Corinthians 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/4/2009 2:44:44 PM
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All believers struggle in the flesh. Which is why we must let God crucify the flesh - Gal 5:24. No more flesh, no more struggles!
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/4/2009 5:13:05 PM
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Great post, godzgyrl05! Especially the part about taking one day at a time and forgetting about yesterday.
I did a lot of Bible reading today and came across some good verses about what God promised to do in me. It didn't make me feel any better, but at least I put something positive in my mind. One baby step at a time! 
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/4/2009 6:18:08 PM
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My friend you need to be on a mission for our Lord Jesus Christ. Are you serving Him and loving others in His name. Are you stepping out of your comfort zone? Is He asking you to share His love with others but you are refusing? Along the narrow road spiritual warfare is a moment to moment battle, but you are not traveling on the narrow road just for spiritual battle; Jesus Christ is asking you to do something, are you doing it? When you are focused on pleasing Him and fulfilling His call on your life you will still sin, but far less frequent, and your actions in serving Him will lead to a greater awareness of His love and presence and your spiritual maturity will quicken.
Godspeed!
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/4/2009 6:42:28 PM
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Let me start by helping you relax a little. You are a sinner, I am a sinner and by the way… every individual walking the earth is a sinner. I believe the use of the word “habitual” in your post was intended to indicate that you routinely commit the same type of sin over and over again. Join the club. As a Christian we/you will sin over and over again. Our saving grace is that the Lord Jesus Christ died for our/your sins on the cross. God knows we sin, that we distanced ourselves from Him, which is why Jesus was sent to live among us over 2000 years ago.
The “guilt” you have is normal and should be channeled into confessing your sins to God. I assume you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior. When you accepted Jesus you became a new person in the eyes of the Lord. You were reborn to a new eternal life that includes, as a human, sin.
In short “don’t sweat the small stuff”… sin will happen. Live a life that honors God, read the Bible as a source of inspiration and guide to daily living, attend services at your local church. Remember there are no “works”, nothing you can do, to pay the price of your sin. Ask forgiveness, try to avoid the sins you continually confront and most importantly embrace God with all your heart, mind, body and soul.
Your friend in life’s journey,
Brian
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/4/2009 10:02:45 PM
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The Holy Spirit cannot be in control, if we 'regard' (think about) sin.
Think on sin, you sin.
Think on Jesus, you don't think on sin.
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/4/2009 10:33:39 PM
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This world is like a carny sideshow, and we are trying to walk the center of the midway to our goal at the end...
Carnie's yelling out our names and calling our attention away from Jesus and the things of the Spirit, and the goal set before us...
This will never change so long as we live in this world.
The only thing which can change is how we are able to inter-act within this world....
and we are being changed from glory to glory...
to glory to glory because of HIM, not us, but Him....
When Moses came back down from the mountain place with God, the people covered Moses' face because it glowed from being WITH God...
Moses did not change Moses, Moses was changed as a RESULT of spending time in the presence of GOD.
This is why I am saying this, that so long as a person thinks that he can change his or her "self", they are misled or at least short-sighted...
For we can, by the force of our will, stop a bad habit like smoking or cussing or some such things,
BUT...
no one can walk a life in the Spirit by a determined force of self will, that was why the "law" was given, in order to show mankind God's will, and that man was incapable of living it on his own, and that he needed a saviour.
The desire to do so was there, but the ability to perform it was not...
so long as we are looking at our ability [or in-ability] to perform it, we have taken our eyes away from the VERY One who by His presence performs it in us!
When we take our eyes off Jesus, just like Peter on the water, we begin to sink!
Please grasp hold of this truth, HE IS THE "WAY"...
He does not tell us "how" to "do" or how to "live", but says: "abide in ME".
I will close with this, and don't recall the exact verse but it states:
"My honor and my salvation depend on GOD"
Look it up and memorize it  For if we can be destracted by the "carnie's calls", and take our eyes away from Jesus, we shall sink every time....
even so, He shall reach down for us and raise us up again if it happens
But the most FUN is walking on the waters WITH HIM, knowing "hey, I can't do this, but I AM doing this because of Jesus"...apart from Him we can do nothing....WITH HIM - all things are possible to those who believe!
Again, I hope this helps, Bob~
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/4/2009 10:44:33 PM
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My friend you need to be on a mission for our Lord Jesus Christ. Are you serving Him and loving others in His name. Are you stepping out of your comfort zone? Is He asking you to share His love with others but you are refusing? Along the narrow road spiritual warfare is a moment to moment battle, but you are not traveling on the narrow road just for spiritual battle; Jesus Christ is asking you to do something, are you doing it? When you are focused on pleasing Him and fulfilling His call on your life you will still sin, but far less frequent, and your actions in serving Him will lead to a greater awareness of His love and presence and your spiritual maturity will quicken.
Godspeed!
I don't come into contact with anyone other than my family at this point. Right know I think He is just asking me to be a good wife and mother, and to do my job. I work at home, so when I get discouraged, I slack in my work and chores, which adds to my problems. I believe that once I grow enough spiritually to properly take care of my home life, then God will start asking me to reach out to others. John 16:10 "Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much."
Edited to add: I forgot to say thank you for your post!
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/4/2009 10:51:27 PM
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Let me start by helping you relax a little. You are a sinner, I am a sinner and by the way… every individual walking the earth is a sinner. I believe the use of the word “habitual” in your post was intended to indicate that you routinely commit the same type of sin over and over again. Join the club. As a Christian we/you will sin over and over again. Our saving grace is that the Lord Jesus Christ died for our/your sins on the cross. God knows we sin, that we distanced ourselves from Him, which is why Jesus was sent to live among us over 2000 years ago.
The “guilt” you have is normal and should be channeled into confessing your sins to God. I assume you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior. When you accepted Jesus you became a new person in the eyes of the Lord. You were reborn to a new eternal life that includes, as a human, sin.
In short “don’t sweat the small stuff”… sin will happen. Live a life that honors God, read the Bible as a source of inspiration and guide to daily living, attend services at your local church. Remember there are no “works”, nothing you can do, to pay the price of your sin. Ask forgiveness, try to avoid the sins you continually confront and most importantly embrace God with all your heart, mind, body and soul.
Your friend in life’s journey,
Brian
I get what you're saying, and I do need to stop sweating it so much. It's not small stuff though, because sin literally has control of my life and that's a big problem. Maybe if it was only one given sin it would be small. But put them all together and you have a person stuck in a rut of lack of self-control. I think that's what makes it harder to stop, it's just so overwhelming to try to address everything all at once.
So I'm learning to ask God what steps He wants me to take first, and then worry about one thing at a time. I need to do what He tells me to do, and nothing more. If I try to do more, than I'm doing it in my own strength and I grow weary and give up.
Thank you for the encouragement!
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/4/2009 10:57:53 PM
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The Holy Spirit cannot be in control, if we 'regard' (think about) sin.
Think on sin, you sin.
Think on Jesus, you don't think on sin.
Thank you, that is so true! The more I think about how to not do something, the more likely I am to do it. It's crazy that I have to keep relearning these things that I already know but don't practice. I remember a point in my life when I was free, and I didn't even try to stop sinning! Then the fire cooled down a bit and I looked away for a split second...
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/4/2009 11:08:53 PM
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This world is like a carny sideshow, and we are trying to walk the center of the midway to our goal at the end...
Carnie's yelling out our names and calling our attention away from Jesus and the things of the Spirit, and the goal set before us...
This will never change so long as we live in this world.
The only thing which can change is how we are able to inter-act within this world....
and we are being changed from glory to glory...
to glory to glory because of HIM, not us, but Him....
When Moses came back down from the mountain place with God, the people covered Moses' face because it glowed from being WITH God...
Moses did not change Moses, Moses was changed as a RESULT of spending time in the presence of GOD.
This is why I am saying this, that so long as a person thinks that he can change his or her "self", they are misled or at least short-sighted...
For we can, by the force of our will, stop a bad habit like smoking or cussing or some such things,
BUT...
no one can walk a life in the Spirit by a determined force of self will, that was why the "law" was given, in order to show mankind God's will, and that man was incapable of living it on his own, and that he needed a saviour.
The desire to do so was there, but the ability to perform it was not...
so long as we are looking at our ability [or in-ability] to perform it, we have taken our eyes away from the VERY One who by His presence performs it in us!
When we take our eyes off Jesus, just like Peter on the water, we begin to sink!
Please grasp hold of this truth, HE IS THE "WAY"...
He does not tell us "how" to "do" or how to "live", but says: "abide in ME".
I will close with this, and don't recall the exact verse but it states:
"My honor and my salvation depend on GOD"
Look it up and memorize it For if we can be destracted by the "carnie's calls", and take our eyes away from Jesus, we shall sink every time....
even so, He shall reach down for us and raise us up again if it happens
But the most FUN is walking on the waters WITH HIM, knowing "hey, I can't do this, but I AM doing this because of Jesus"...apart from Him we can do nothing....WITH HIM - all things are possible to those who believe!
Again, I hope this helps, Bob~
I love the story of Peter on the water, I feel just like him sinking. And it's always because I worry about how I'm going to fail, forgetting that I can't fail if it's God working through me.
I was raised as a Seventh-Day Adventist, and even though their doctrines don't say it, there was a lot of focus on "being good". I didn't even understand until I was an adult that it was not our own efforts that overcame sin. Maybe that's why I still have a hard time with it. I knew that salvation was by faith and not works, but I didn't know that living right wasn't by works either. I'm not part of that denomination anymore, and the only member of my family that stayed in that denomination lost his faith not too long ago (my brother).
Thank you again!
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/4/2009 11:13:18 PM
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I love the story of Peter on the water, I feel just like him sinking. And it's always because I worry about how I'm going to fail, forgetting that I can't fail if it's God working through me.
I was raised as a Seventh-Day Adventist, and even though their doctrines don't say it, there was a lot of focus on "being good". I didn't even understand until I was an adult that it was not our own efforts that overcame sin. Maybe that's why I still have a hard time with it. I knew that salvation was by faith and not works, but I didn't know that living right wasn't by works either. I'm not part of that denomination anymore, and the only member of my family that stayed in that denomination lost his faith not too long ago (my brother).
Thank you again!
Look at what GOD has done for you already!! He is faithful, and HE who has begun this good work in you, shall continue and perform ALL OF IT!
Unless the Father had first drawn you to Jesus, you could not have believed in His Son,....start to FINISH it will be GOD in you performing the works which He perpared before the foundation of the world that you would walk in them - FEAR NOT friend!!!
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/4/2009 11:50:24 PM
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You, in my humble opinion, are making the situation much worse than it really is. What I meant about “Don’t sweat the small stuff” is that sin is unlike anything else in our world. Think about this… a sin is a sin is a sin. You can commit “small” sins or “large” and the problem is the same… you have sinned against God and must confess your sin to Him… meditate/contemplate about your sin… learn from your sin and basically “get right with God”.
Please understand that God knows you/we sin and knowing we sin allowed Jesus to “setup” our redemption.
You are not a bad person for committing sin. You already recognize the fact that you sin which is a great beginning. Many, many people in our world today rely on themselves and live by their own rules not wanting to admit their actions are sinful.
Learn from you sin. Understand what exactly is sinful about your actions. Recognize what events take place prior to you committing this sin. When you find yourself in the situation where you sin take some action to avoid the situation and create a new result.
Seek knowledge and understanding from the New Testament to deal with your specific situation. Nobody in this world except for Jesus has ever been perfect… no one has come close to being perfect. Sin is not graded like a test in school with one person getting an A and another person a D. Sin is always wrong… murder, drugs, adultery, lies, lust… it’s all sin and with the love of God is forgivable.
The only, only, only problem is to sin, recognize your sin and continuing to sin without confessing, asking forgiveness and truly not wanting to sin again.
You are not nearly as bad off as you believe. Whatever sin you have committed you can be, and are, forgiven through the love of God.
Send me an email (wbwalsh@hotmail.com) if you would like to provide more specifics or need further assistance.
God bless, good luck and pray for me!
Brian
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/5/2009 8:39:12 AM
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I get what you're saying, and I do need to stop sweating it so much. It's not small stuff though, because sin literally has control of my life and that's a big problem. Maybe if it was only one given sin it would be small. But put them all together and you have a person stuck in a rut of lack of self-control. I think that's what makes it harder to stop, it's just so overwhelming to try to address everything all at once.
So I'm learning to ask God what steps He wants me to take first, and then worry about one thing at a time. I need to do what He tells me to do, and nothing more. If I try to do more, than I'm doing it in my own strength and I grow weary and give up.
insndreamer, confess your sin, (1 John 1:19 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.)
REPENT, (Acts 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.) (Repentance keeps our line of communication open with God)
LET IT GO. (Psalms 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.) (God is able to remove sin from us, we need to let Him)
As someone said earlier, SIN IS SIN...there aren't any "big sins or little sins". You said "sin literally has control of your life", I strongly suggest that you give that control to the Lord. I can relate to how you feel, and I understand the torment; I've been there. I can strongly testify as to how I cried daily to come out of my sin. It is a very frustrating situation to be in. However, I can also testify that God is able to take all that torment and frustration away. He CAN and WILL forgive you of your sin. When you confess your sin daily to Him, He faithful to forgive. I know you have those moments when you feel you are alone in your pain....you are not. Jesus is there with you every step of the way. I believe you have a strong desire to please the Lord in all you say and do. Your desire is to be a good wife, and mother, and to do your job well, He will give you those desires. Psalms 37:4 (Delight yourself also in the Lord, And He shall give you the desires of your heart.)
Continue to read and seek out God's promises. Get the Word rooted and grounded in your heart, so that you can grow strong in the power of HIS might.
The Apostle Paul gives us more of an understanding concerning this spiritual warfare...(2 Corinthians 10:3-6 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.)
When those urges, or the temptation to sin come to your mind, cast it down with HIS WORD, think yourself happy, and REJOICE in the LORD!
Galatians 6:8,9 (For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.)
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1 Corinthians 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/5/2009 2:53:44 PM
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You, in my humble opinion, are making the situation much worse than it really is.
You're right, at least in my allowing myself to get discouraged by my sins. The discouragement itself is serious though, because it cripples me and makes my life miserable. We can't be very fruitful in life when we are always miserable.
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I believe you have a strong desire to please the Lord in all you say and do. Your desire is to be a good wife, and mother, and to do your job well, He will give you those desires. Psalms 37:4 (Delight yourself also in the Lord, And He shall give you the desires of your heart.)
Thank you, that is so encouraging to me. I don't think I've ever thought of that verse that way before. I always thought it was talking about either something that we didn't have that God would eventually give us, or that what we desired was wrong and would change into the right thing. I never thought about it being something that we desire to be. And that really is the desire of my heart, to be a woman who serves the Lord in every way.
Today is a great day. I've been praying and listening to sermons about faith, and my spirits are much higher than they were yesterday. It has helped reading all of your responses, I had no idea how desperate I was for some encouraging words! So praise the Lord, today I have victory!
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/8/2009 8:57:52 AM
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You are a sinner, I am a sinner and by the way… every individual walking the earth is a sinner. Sorry, wbwalsh, but some of us know that God has saved us from our sin, not merely in our sinning! I would appreciate if you would not categorize me with current sinners. By God's grace and power, I believe and live out 1 John 3:4-10. And frankly, so do lots of folks still walking the earth!
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/8/2009 1:41:18 PM
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You are a sinner, I am a sinner and by the way… every individual walking the earth is a sinner. Sorry, wbwalsh, but some of us know that God has saved us from our sin, not merely in our sinning! I would appreciate if you would not categorize me with current sinners. By God's grace and power, I believe and live out 1 John 3:4-10. And frankly, so do lots of folks still walking the earth!
Perhaps they meant we are past-tense sinners? I have no problem with labeling myself as a sinner because the Bible says that all have sinned. That means that I am a sinner, although at this moment I am not an active sinner.
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/8/2009 2:56:02 PM
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Dreamer.......you live in a fleshly body of sin that cares nothing for spiritual things. You sinned last week.....you will sin next week. You will remain a frustrated Christian until you come to the realization that Christ paid for ALL those sins 2,000 years ago. He said it was "finished" from the cross, mankind refuses to believe it to this day. They say He took away the sins of the world, and then "they" and maybe you, turn around and try to deal with them again. You try to add YOUR efforts to Christ's.....when He has plainly told us there is NO remission (payment) of sins without the shedding of blood.
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins...... (see also Hebrews 9:22)
So God has told us HE took away the sins of the world.....and hid them behind His back, never to see them again. But the world doesn't really believe it. He tells us He died ONE time only to deal with sins (Heb 9:26) When He appears at His second coming it will NOT be to deal with sin (Heb 9:28) so if you read between the lines, there have been a lot of sinners sinning in the last 2,000 years but they were ALL dealt with the first time at the cross. So if you are a Christian the practical effect of this is you can relax, Jesus took away all your sins already, your proper response now is just to profusely THANK HIM for doing that.
Isn't that an amazing thought!.........now on to the rest of the story. You have not figured out that salvation is not just getting your sins forgiven. The Word says you came into this world spiritually dead in Adam. Jesus came to restore that Spiritual life that Adam lost. Who does Jesus say He is......." I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE." Look real closely at that last one He came to give you LIFE. Thats what dead people need. That life now lives in you as the Holy Spirit.....He is God, He lives forever, YOU live forever with Him.....the very Spirit of God......
The consequences of sin is death. Jesus took this away for believers at the cross. HE then gives us eternal life. The only thing that can take that LIFE away is unpaid for SIN.....is that not right? If the sin is gone there is nothing in the universe that can take that new life you now have away from you. You can't lose it........you are SEALED with the Holy Spirit.....Jesus says He will never leave you nor forsake you......so RELAX in HIS completed work ( not yours) do some cartwheels today to celebrate your eternal life in Christ and go tell your neighbors about it............
We serve an absolutely amazing God of love....
Grace and peace to you always...........
Warbird
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/8/2009 5:32:35 PM
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Dreamer.......you live in a fleshly body of sin that cares nothing for spiritual things.
Not if he's a Christian!
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So if you are a Christian the practical effect of this is you can relax,
What does this mean, warbird? He can just sit back, enjoy life at its fullest, chill out and be happy that no matter how he chooses to live his life he's totally in the clear?
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Jesus took away all your sins already, your proper response now is just to profusely THANK HIM for doing that.
His question is how he can overcome sin. As nice as your response sounds, simply thanking Jesus for dying for him will not help him overcome sin. Even the most evil sinners in the world thank the man named Jesus for dying a couple thousand years ago.
So how do YOU overcome sin, warbird?
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/8/2009 5:57:38 PM
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We serve an absolutely amazing God of love.... Who tells us very clearly that those who keep on sinning are NOT His children 1 John 3:4-10!
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Jesus took away all your sins already, your proper response now is just to profusely THANK HIM for doing that. The proper "response" to God's grace is to obey His commannds - 1 John 5:2-4!
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/8/2009 6:34:37 PM
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The proper "response" to God's grace is to obey His commannds - 1 John 5:2-4!
Exactly. Jesus never said that the Christian walk would be full of jumping-jacks and cartwheels of happiness. There will be many stressful and and painful battles, and mere thankfulness will do nothing to overcome sin.
What dreamer needs to understand is that he now possesses the infinitely mighty power of Christ that enables him to overcome sin if he desires to do right and be led by the Spirit. Only then is he able to overcome sin, and I praise God that He's made a way for dreamer, and everyone, to escape temptation.
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/8/2009 7:29:04 PM
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drmark and every1........so according to your posts if you still sin you don't belong to God at all and are lost, is that correct? Are YOU BOTH sinless at this time? If you are correct then it also looks like the Apostle Paul doesn't make the cut. Read Romans 7. He says he exists in a body of sin. This appears to be a real problem for your point of view........
Warbird just thanks Jesus Christ for His completed work on the cross that took away ALL my sins..........
And yes, God is so good He gave us a FREE gift of salvation.........you do remember the FREE part don't you?
Cartwheels are good for you by the way......
Grace and peace
Warbird
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/8/2009 9:06:54 PM
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warbird,
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so according to your posts if you still sin you don't belong to God at all and are lost, is that correct?
Where was that written in my post, warbird?
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Are YOU BOTH sinless at this time?
At this very moment I am not sinning. I am perfectly sinless as of right now, and will continue to be perfect until failure or death.
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If you are correct then it also looks like the Apostle Paul doesn't make the cut. Read Romans 7. He says he exists in a body of sin. This appears to be a real problem for your point of view........
You obviously have not read the context of said chapter.
Here is my thread concerning this topic. Since you are new here, most likely you have not visited the thread. I am more than willing to discuss this further here:
http://forums.christianity.com/m_4593809/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#4593809
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Warbird just thanks Jesus Christ for His completed work on the cross that took away ALL my sins..........
Ya, so do I. But we do not walk around in a trance-like state of mere thankfullness that miraculously keeps us from sinning.
This thread is about how one overcomes sin. Being thankful does not overcome sin.
So again, how do YOU overcome sin?
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And yes, God is so good He gave us a FREE gift of salvation.........you do remember the FREE part don't you?
I don't understand how this has anything to do with this topic, warbird. The OP did not start this thread to discuss salvation. He wants to know how one overcomes sin. You have not answered that question.
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Cartwheels are good for you by the way......
And I perform them during the appropriate time. But life isn't a Joel Olsteen lovey-dovey trance. It has it's sorrows, pains, stresses, heartaches, trails, and temptations--all of which make us stronger.
Don't forget what John 11:35 says--"Jesus wept".
In Christ,
ZG
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RE: How do I overcome sin? - 11/8/2009 10:54:34 PM
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Warbird just thanks Jesus Christ for His completed work on the cross that took away ALL my sins.......... Amen, Warbird! Then you too are sinless as long as you choose not to sin. By God's grace and power, of course!
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