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Political Parties - 11/2/2009 10:02:27 AM
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Lapidoth
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You may or may not know the depth of
the way the parties operate in today's
atmosphere. It will depend on how savvy
one is to real politics.
the question is:
Is the Democrat party run by democrats?
And is the Republican party run by republicans?
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RE: Political Parties - 11/2/2009 10:06:34 AM
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It's hard to answer that I guess.
What's the difference between Democrats and Republicans?
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RE: Political Parties - 11/2/2009 10:08:37 AM
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ORIGINAL: Sophie11
It's hard to answer that I guess.
What's the difference between Democrats and Republicans?
LOL..........That's one reason for the question.
We are at a point when the democrats need to take their
party back and the Republicans need to take their party
back.
Both are taking us to the same destination.
For a while it was just a matter of what kind of ride we
wanted to get there. Now the ride is the same.
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There is no way to be absolutely sure about the origins of the argument that political positions can be described as "Left" and "Right". But, I have a feeling that it came about as Communists, and perhaps, Fascists attempted to obfuscate the reality that both of the these political systems are simply two sides of the same coin. Both have socialist, statist roots and inevitably result in tyranny over their hapless subjects. Because both ends of the "Left" vs. "Right" spectrum are so similar, it's virtually impossible to locate other political philosphies in their proper places.
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RE: Political Parties - 11/2/2009 10:22:39 AM
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Sophie11
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
We are at a point when the democrats need to take their
party back and the Republicans need to take their party
back.
Both are taking us to the same destination.
For a while it was just a matter of what kind of ride we
wanted to get there. Now the ride is the same.
So Democrats need to become Republicans and Republicans need to become.....what?
It will never happen with the same people in office who are currently there.
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RE: Political Parties - 11/2/2009 10:35:26 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
You may or may not know the depth of
the way the parties operate in today's
atmosphere. It will depend on how savvy
one is to real politics.
the question is:
Is the Democrat party run by democrats?
And is the Republican party run by republicans?
Nah, they're both run by lobbyists.
That's why I'm a independent.
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RE: Political Parties - 11/2/2009 10:56:54 AM
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Lapidoth
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quote:
ORIGINAL: KaptZ
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
You may or may not know the depth of
the way the parties operate in today's
atmosphere. It will depend on how savvy
one is to real politics.
the question is:
Is the Democrat party run by democrats?
And is the Republican party run by republicans?
Nah, they're both run by lobbyists.
That's why I'm a independent.
I may very well be an independent from now on.
I've always been an independent, but came to a
point where I will never ever vote for a democrat
as long as the liberals are in control of them. And
we are at about the same point with Republicans.
Lobbyists get and waste tax-payer dollars...........
Now we have a biggggggggg lobbyist as CinC.
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RE: Political Parties - 11/2/2009 12:18:16 PM
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Kaptz - Nah, they're both run by lobbyists. That's why I'm a independent.
Exactly, obviously corporate interests, special interest groups, would not be spending the tens of millions of dollars if there wasn't some "payback". Dems and Rebs are just as guilty because when you look at the overall very little changes over time, same basic issues, same basic going nowhere.
Anyone who votes strictly along party lines is a dupe!!!
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RE: Political Parties - 11/2/2009 1:54:28 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
the question is:
Is the Democrat party run by democrats?
And is the Republican party run by republicans?
Trick question: There is no "Democrat" party.
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RE: Political Parties - 11/2/2009 2:34:26 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: huangshan
quote:
ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
the question is:
Is the Democrat party run by democrats?
And is the Republican party run by republicans?
Trick question: There is no "Democrat" party.
I know that..............it's the Socialist Democrat Party.
But you have to dig, don't you.
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RE: Political Parties - 11/2/2009 8:03:52 PM
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It started with the first George Bush when he threw out the policies of Reagan.
Then Clinton who led by poll.
Then Bush jr., who was a closet liberal.
The republican party has little conservative base anymore.
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RE: Political Parties - 11/3/2009 9:19:17 AM
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The conservatives need to take the party back
as the democrats need to take the party back from the liberals.
Best yet would be the conservatives to leave the republican/democrat
party and build up the conservative party.
Or maybe the "All American Party." Love it or leave it.
It's been a revolving one party for decades.
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RE: Political Parties - 11/3/2009 3:00:35 PM
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LOL -- well, the conservatives seem to be succeeding in wresting the Republican party "back" -- and the better they do, the worse they will do in the general elections.
If there is one thing that never ceases to amaze me about right-wing conservatives, it's their continuing belief--in the face of all the evidence to the contrary--that running further to the right will bring them greater electoral success. I'm the last person to want to disabuse them on this bizarre notion, but that big chunk of self-identified independent voters you see in the polls -- they're not closet far-right conservatives. Sure a few of them all, but independents aren't called "swing voters" for nothing. If you voluntarily vacate the middle ground, then there is absolutely nothing to stop the opposition from sweeping in and taking over.
Just look at what's happened in British politics over the last 20 years. The Labour Party was a true socialist party during the 80s and never came anywhere near to willing an election until Tony Blair took over and brought them closer to the middle of the British political spectrum -- ground that the Conservatives had long since vacated. Since then the Tories have been out in the wilderness, unelectable even though the Labour Party hasn't been that popular for some years. Now, finally, the new Tory leader, David Cameron, has been seeking to regain the middle ground, ditching some of it's more right-wing policies (no more talk of reforming the NHS for example, and no more opposition to gay marriage) and guess what? He's odds on favorite to win the next election.
Moderate American conservatives know this, but they are increasingly being marginalized by the puritan purge that's going on in the right wing of American politics. I predicted this would happen after the Republicans (correctly) picked the most moderate candidate for 2012 -- John McCain -- and then he went on to lose the election. Right wing conservatives blamed his moderate record (which actually isn't that moderate if you look at it closely enough) even though it's obvious that two things did him in -- Bush and the financial crisis. (Palin didn't help, but she was merely the Hail Mary selection of an already doomed candidate.) So the right-wing conservatives have managed to draw the exact wrong conclusion from 2008, and will seemingly carry their misconceptions on through 2012.
If the Tea Party's pride and joy, Doug Hoffman wins tonight, they will hail it as a magnificent victory for the right. In truth, the Democrats haven't won that seat since the Civil War, and the deposed moderate Republican candidate would have almost certainly won by a larger majority than Hoffman will get. So again, the wrong lesson will be learned, and they will go on to wreak havoc in the Republican primaries of real swing districts and ruin any chance that the Republicans will get back into the majority in 2010.
Isn't life wonderful. 
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RE: Political Parties - 11/3/2009 3:16:50 PM
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Both parties talk about having a "big tent," and seem to be proud of having one. But as Rush pointed out today, look at the Republicans who have left the Republican "big tent." One of them is Colin Powell, who endorsed 0bama for the 2008 nomination. Add to him, George HW Bush, George W Bush, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Chuck Hagel, and Jim Jeffords. None of them were conservative and regularly supported Democrat ideas and bills.
If "big tents" are the ideal situation, why do we even have parties? It's impossible to please that many peoples' tastes and desires. So instead of having any black and white, we are left with a lot of medium gray. Phooey! 
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RE: Political Parties - 11/3/2009 3:38:50 PM
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It's a nonsense to accuse those you list of not being conservatives. They may not been conservative enough for you, but none of them is a liberal, or anything close to it. It may be shocking to you that sometimes liberals and conservatives reach the same conclusions over an issue and decide to join forces to take action on it, but that's the way the world works, in case you hadn't noticed. When you're in the minority, you can either sit on your hands and do nothing for two years, or you can opt to participate in areas you have some common ground in and help shape the outcome.
It's highly entertaining to see those who mocked the Democrats as being the "do nothing" party when they were in the minority now decrying those Republicans who are actually trying to do something. Apparently "do nothing" has suddenly become a very popular stance of right-wing conservatives.
Finally, if political purity is your goal, then you're not going to win another election in a very, very long time. So go ahead -- the country will be far better off in the long run if you keep this up and keep on losing.
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RE: Political Parties - 11/3/2009 3:52:14 PM
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Well, fyi, Jim Jeffords did jump parties and Chuck Hagel was considering it.
The "do nothing" you are talking about is trying to put a stop to the Democrats mad rush to push their socialist agenda down our throats. It's better to "do nothing" than to go along with them.
As for your "political purity" claim, I'll say that "if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything." -Thanx to Aaron Tippin.
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ORIGINAL: tacitus
It's a nonsense to accuse those you list of not being conservatives. They may not been conservative enough for you, but none of them is a liberal, or anything close to it. It may be shocking to you that sometimes liberals and conservatives reach the same conclusions over an issue and decide to join forces to take action on it, but that's the way the world works, in case you hadn't noticed. When you're in the minority, you can either sit on your hands and do nothing for two years, or you can opt to participate in areas you have some common ground in and help shape the outcome.
It's highly entertaining to see those who mocked the Democrats as being the "do nothing" party when they were in the minority now decrying those Republicans who are actually trying to do something. Apparently "do nothing" has suddenly become a very popular stance of right-wing conservatives.
Finally, if political purity is your goal, then you're not going to win another election in a very, very long time. So go ahead -- the country will be far better off in the long run if you keep this up and keep on losing.
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RE: Political Parties - 11/3/2009 4:06:43 PM
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Well considering the last TRUE Landslide victory we have seen was the last TRUE Conservative to run, I would say that the Republicans are right to stop listening to the left on who to run. And if the middle ground is so important then the democrats would follow the advice they seem to so willingly give republicans and run moderate candidates. But the last 3 candidates, Gore, Kerry, and Obama all kept moving farther left and now we are going at break neck speed toward a form of govt. that our founders would role over in their grave if they could see.
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RE: Political Parties - 11/3/2009 4:36:11 PM
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As for your "political purity" claim, I'll say that "if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything." -Thanx to Aaron Tippin.
I think the problem is that you believe that the purist far-right conservative position represents the views of a plurality of voters in the US -- and that those voters will flock to the polls and sweep your lot to power if only there was someone (Sarah Palin?) who would preach that message load and clear, unfettered by political expediency.
In reality, time and again, on issue after issue it's been shown that there's only about 20% of Americans who believe that way, even though there is a plurality of people who identify themselves as conservatives -- perhaps up to 60% or more.
The purer the right-wing purge, the more of the 20% you will get, but the fewer of the other 40% you will get. You can't win, and you won't win. But that's fine with me.
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RE: Political Parties - 11/3/2009 4:41:23 PM
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Reagan was a big tent conservative. He would not have cast out Bush Sr, Bush Jr, or McCain. It's true that he has been sanctified as the spiritual leader of the conservative movement, but the purge going on today will leave the Republican party far more right-wing that it was in Reagan's day.
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RE: Political Parties - 11/3/2009 5:17:40 PM
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ORIGINAL: tacitus
LOL -- well, the conservatives seem to be succeeding in wresting the Republican party "back" -- and the better they do, the worse they will do in the general elections.
If there is one thing that never ceases to amaze me about right-wing conservatives, it's their continuing belief--in the face of all the evidence to the contrary--that running further to the right will bring them greater electoral success. I'm the last person to want to disabuse them on this bizarre notion, but that big chunk of self-identified independent voters you see in the polls -- they're not closet far-right conservatives. Sure a few of them all, but independents aren't called "swing voters" for nothing. If you voluntarily vacate the middle ground, then there is absolutely nothing to stop the opposition from sweeping in and taking over.
Isn't life wonderful.
Just as the liberals had no problem choosing the most far-left wing liberal that is Obama without worrying about losing votes, the right has to choose a right-wing conservative, not a moderate/centrist republican like McCain. A complaint many republicans had (and rightfully so) was that if you have a centrist republican then what is the difference between a dem and rep?
The mainstream media isn't reporting it, but there are plenty of tea parties going around across the country. How many news agencies (besides FOX) reported that Houston's tea party on Monday drew over 10,000 people? Some can try and dismiss the "astro-turf" movement but we will find out soon in the mid-term elections how effective the tea parties are.
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RE: Political Parties - 11/3/2009 5:33:19 PM
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Reagan was a big tent conservative. He would not have cast out Bush Sr, Bush Jr, or McCain. It's true that he has been sanctified as the spiritual leader of the conservative movement, but the purge going on today will leave the Republican party far more right-wing that it was in Reagan's day.
Most people that talk about Reagan either don't know or forgot how he worked with the opposition in Congress as well as those on the GOP side. I think Reagan ran as a conservative and governed as a moderate. Of course it's easier to govern that way when the other side has a majority in at least one house of Congress.
But Reagan wasn't saddled with Rush, Ann and the other wind bags.
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