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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 2:54:47 PM
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Most of us know and care for people who are deeply flawed. I don't think that is unique.
"You fight your battle, I'll fight mine." How profound.
I am not surprised to hear that Newt Gingrich quoted Mao in the past. He thinks that because he is so intelligent he can get away with things like that. I wish it had been brought out by the press at the time. By the way, he is now supporting that RINO in New York who is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage and who supported the stimulus package. So, there are really no true conservatives anymore. Just when you think you've found one, he does stupid things like the above.
If you check out the "Ted Kennedy died" thread here on CW, I think you'll find that a highly conservative person befriending a philandering, hard-drinking liberal that works AGAINST most everything you work FOR is actually very, very unusual - particularly when there are people in your own district would would use their vote to take you to task on that and fire you.
And yes, there was a certain profoundness in Mao's statement - not the words, of course which are as mundane as you make them out to be. The thought behind it - and indeed the thought behind Dunn's legitimate use of the tought - is that you don't have to fight the battle that other people want you to fight. You have a choice.
Instead of going toe-to-toe with a militarily advantaged force, he was smart enough to skirt that issue entirely and wander around the hinterlands gaining popular support. Today we call it "counterinsurgency strategy" and "winning the hearts and minds." Basically a lesson learned in Viet Nam and taught in part by Mao. We as a nation were smart enough to learn that lesson, even if it was taught by someone completely repugnant to any thinking person.
The second lesson that Dunn is trying to communicate here - in part by juxtaposing Mother Theresa with Mao - is don't close yourself off to smart ideas, even when those smart ideas come from morally stupid people. That's a lesson that folks here in the U.S. seem reluctant to learn.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 4:29:59 PM
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Most of us know and care for people who are deeply flawed. I don't think that is unique.
"You fight your battle, I'll fight mine." How profound.
I am not surprised to hear that Newt Gingrich quoted Mao in the past. He thinks that because he is so intelligent he can get away with things like that. I wish it had been brought out by the press at the time. By the way, he is now supporting that RINO in New York who is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage and who supported the stimulus package. So, there are really no true conservatives anymore. Just when you think you've found one, he does stupid things like the above.
If you check out the "Ted Kennedy died" thread here on CW, I think you'll find that a highly conservative person befriending a philandering, hard-drinking liberal that works AGAINST most everything you work FOR is actually very, very unusual - particularly when there are people in your own district would would use their vote to take you to task on that and fire you.
And yes, there was a certain profoundness in Mao's statement - not the words, of course which are as mundane as you make them out to be. The thought behind it - and indeed the thought behind Dunn's legitimate use of the tought - is that you don't have to fight the battle that other people want you to fight. You have a choice.
Instead of going toe-to-toe with a militarily advantaged force, he was smart enough to skirt that issue entirely and wander around the hinterlands gaining popular support. Today we call it "counterinsurgency strategy" and "winning the hearts and minds." Basically a lesson learned in Viet Nam and taught in part by Mao. We as a nation were smart enough to learn that lesson, even if it was taught by someone completely repugnant to any thinking person.
The second lesson that Dunn is trying to communicate here - in part by juxtaposing Mother Theresa with Mao - is don't close yourself off to smart ideas, even when those smart ideas come from morally stupid people. That's a lesson that folks here in the U.S. seem reluctant to learn.
Reading into this what you hope she meant? My only issue is that being unclear on what was meant could give the wrong impression
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 4:34:03 PM
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My only issue is that being unclear on what was meant could give the wrong impression
Exactly my point on an earlier post. Instead of trying to discover what was meant, we end up just using the quote as a weapon to further one particular point of view or another. In pursuing the attack, Beck made it nearly impossible to ever find out what was truly intended.
Am I reading into the quote what I would hope was meant? Could be. Just as easily as people who don't like Obama are looking for some smoking gun.
That temptation exists for everyone. The minute we lose sight of that possibility is the minute it becomes difficult to have any real dialogue.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 4:39:33 PM
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My only issue is that being unclear on what was meant could give the wrong impression
Exactly my point on an earlier post. Instead of trying to discover what was meant, we end up just using the quote as a weapon to further one particular point of view or another. In pursuing the attack, Beck made it nearly impossible to ever find out what was truly intended.
Am I reading into the quote what I would hope was meant? Could be. Just as easily as people who don't like Obama are looking for some smoking gun.
That temptation exists for everyone. The minute we lose sight of that possibility is the minute it becomes difficult to have any real dialogue.
I do have a slight problem with her wording, stating that she liked Mao's POLITICAL philosophies. My problem with that lies in the fact that it was his political philosophies that caused the death of millions. I have no problem giving the benefit of the doubt that she wasn't saying that she admired the man for causing those deaths but his political philosophies were the cause of those deaths. Yes he had some brilliant musings but overall his political philosophy was one that caused millions of deaths.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 4:43:40 PM
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My only issue is that being unclear on what was meant could give the wrong impression
Exactly my point on an earlier post. Instead of trying to discover what was meant, we end up just using the quote as a weapon to further one particular point of view or another. In pursuing the attack, Beck made it nearly impossible to ever find out what was truly intended.
Am I reading into the quote what I would hope was meant? Could be. Just as easily as people who don't like Obama are looking for some smoking gun.
That temptation exists for everyone. The minute we lose sight of that possibility is the minute it becomes difficult to have any real dialogue.
I do have a slight problem with her wording, stating that she liked Mao's POLITICAL philosophies. My problem with that lies in the fact that it was his political philosophies that caused the death of millions. I have no problem giving the benefit of the doubt that she wasn't saying that she admired the man for causing those deaths but his political philosophies were the cause of those deaths. Yes he had some brilliant musings but overall his political philosophy was one that caused millions of deaths.
It's not all that unusual, particularly in academia, but I can understand why you would be uncomfortable with it. I'm used to it, so it doesn't bother me, but my wife thought it unwise and wasn't comfortable with it either. I think Dunn was using a bit of a rhetorical device - the shock value of putting diametrically opposed alternatives in juxtaposition to prove a common theme. As such, I don't put much credence in the thought that she actually approves of Mao's thoughts generally, just as it impacts this one particular important theme.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 5:40:55 PM
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It's not all that unusual, particularly in academia, but I can understand why you would be uncomfortable with it. I'm used to it, so it doesn't bother me, but my wife thought it unwise and wasn't comfortable with it either.
And THAT is precisely the problem. It is indeed the very thing "progressive" liberals are banking on.  Everyone is getting used to it.
If you go into an area that reeks, eventually your sense of smell will accommodate it. When someone else enters into the area while you're still there, they ask "...what is that disgusting smell?! Whatever it is, it's making me sick!"
Well, I just don't seem to notice it anymore. I've gotten used to it, I guess. 
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 7:01:12 PM
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LOL - "No one expects the Inquisition!"
Seriously, it's not an issue of being acclimated to some commie conspiracy. I just think some highly educated folks tend to assume that people are bright enough to figure out what is just a rhetorical device and what is not. Sometimes that confidence is misplaced, and sometimes people fail to take into account how a jarring example like that can be abused by those with some ill intent and a microphone.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 8:15:06 PM
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Some people's delivery is at fault to. Some just seem serious when they are being ironic, sarcastic, or funny.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 8:37:39 PM
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Exactly. It's one reason that I'm even less funny in person.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 8:42:34 PM
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Some just seem serious when they are being ironic, sarcastic, or funny.
Just like this woman
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 8:52:44 PM
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I could make a case for Count Dracula and Jack the Ripper if I wanted to or had the time. Both provide a symbiosis to society and law enforcement. Both are romantic figures, appealing to women which adds excitement to the doldrums of routine social harmony, etc..
Simply put, Anita Dunn is off.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 8:56:34 PM
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Some just seem serious when they are being ironic, sarcastic, or funny.
Just like this woman
So you concede that she was being either ironic, sarcastic, or funny?
-Dan.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 9:01:08 PM
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LOL - "No one expects the Inquisition!"
I just think some highly educated folks tend to assume that people are bright enough to figure out what is just a rhetorical device and what is not.
That would be cool, if it was simply thrown into the faces of highly educated folks. The problem is that this type of progressive liberal vomit is being spoon-fed in small doses to elementary school children. Shroud it with some sugar, water, and vanilla, and no one will be the wiser.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 9:04:01 PM
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Some just seem serious when they are being ironic, sarcastic, or funny.
Just like this woman
So you concede that she was being either ironic, sarcastic, or funny?
-Dan.
Nice trick. Too bad it didn't work. Note: Some seem "serious.."
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 9:12:21 PM
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Yet another convention of Standard Liberal Operating Procedure.
S.L.O.P. 
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 9:17:26 PM
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Some just seem serious when they are being ironic, sarcastic, or funny.
Just like this woman
So you concede that she was being either ironic, sarcastic, or funny?
-Dan.
Not me. No offense though but most women don't pull irony, sarcasm, or humor off well.
To shamelessly rip off a movie line. "Why so serious?"
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 9:27:09 PM
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LOL - "No one expects the Inquisition!"
I just think some highly educated folks tend to assume that people are bright enough to figure out what is just a rhetorical device and what is not.
That would be cool, if it was simply thrown into the faces of highly educated folks. The problem is that this type of progressive liberal vomit is being spoon-fed in small doses to elementary school children. Shroud it with some sugar, water, and vanilla, and no one will be the wiser.
Maybe she just has a higher opinion of what high school kids are capable of grasping. I think your average kid is capable of understanding the difference.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 10:00:25 PM
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Maybe she just has a higher opinion of what high school kids are capable of grasping. I think your average kid is capable of understanding the difference.
Sure. It's OK to throw high school kids into the dung heap and rub their collective faces in the filth. We're just being philosophical and hypothetical and anyone can discern the true intentions of teachers. If history gets a little distorted or skewed in the process, it's only to serve our purpose. Whatever that pseudo-intellectual purpose may be.
As I said earlier. It doesn't start in high school; it starts in grade school.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 10:14:14 PM
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Thats kind of the point. It's not filth if it's true - even when the person that first came up with did did truly filthy things. For the purposes of this point she was making, it wasn't a bad example. To be sure, there are better ones but this one wasn't that bad.
Unless you really want it to be, in which case you can make it appear so.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 10:29:35 PM
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Most of us know and care for people who are deeply flawed. I don't think that is unique.
"You fight your battle, I'll fight mine." How profound.
I am not surprised to hear that Newt Gingrich quoted Mao in the past. He thinks that because he is so intelligent he can get away with things like that. I wish it had been brought out by the press at the time. By the way, he is now supporting that RINO in New York who is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage and who supported the stimulus package. So, there are really no true conservatives anymore. Just when you think you've found one, he does stupid things like the above.
If you check out the "Ted Kennedy died" thread here on CW, I think you'll find that a highly conservative person befriending a philandering, hard-drinking liberal that works AGAINST most everything you work FOR is actually very, very unusual - particularly when there are people in your own district would would use their vote to take you to task on that and fire you.
And yes, there was a certain profoundness in Mao's statement - not the words, of course which are as mundane as you make them out to be. The thought behind it - and indeed the thought behind Dunn's legitimate use of the tought - is that you don't have to fight the battle that other people want you to fight. You have a choice.
Instead of going toe-to-toe with a militarily advantaged force, he was smart enough to skirt that issue entirely and wander around the hinterlands gaining popular support. Today we call it "counterinsurgency strategy" and "winning the hearts and minds." Basically a lesson learned in Viet Nam and taught in part by Mao. We as a nation were smart enough to learn that lesson, even if it was taught by someone completely repugnant to any thinking person.
The second lesson that Dunn is trying to communicate here - in part by juxtaposing Mother Theresa with Mao - is don't close yourself off to smart ideas, even when those smart ideas come from morally stupid people. That's a lesson that folks here in the U.S. seem reluctant to learn.
Your first comment about a highly conservative person befriending a person who fought against everything the conservative person had worked for was insinuating that politicians get terribly emotional about the issues debated in Congress. They're POLITICIANS! Most of them fight inside and laugh and joke together when they are outside. They disagree politically but they don't dislike each other most of the time. It is frustrating for me because I am sensitive about the issues. But then I'm not a politician.
As to your second comment, most people know they have a choice, but whether you choose to follow the crowd or do things your way depends on one's strength of character. I think there are many, many people she could have chosen to speak of who didn't have to murder millions of people in order to do things their own way. Just my opinion.
Um, could you present proof that we "learned our lesson" from Mao Tse Tung? I wouldn't call it "counterinsurgency" or "winning the hearts and minds". I don't know a lot about Mao but if he were keen on winning hearts and minds why did he kill millions of people?
I don't understand your last comment. Are you saying that Mother Theresa would have loved Mao in spite of his evil? Or are you saying she was contrasting the two to say that they can both have good ideas regardless of their moral values being totally opposite?
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 10:31:12 PM
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This is like shooting fish in a barrell. Who are these people?
I was busy watching while people continue to try and justify this trash, to say that was hillarious, because it's true. It IS like shooting fish in a barrell. These people aren't some sort of anomaly out there "somewhere" or only present in the Barry Soetoro administration. The school system in America is replete with these types of people. Notice the pompous aire that this woman exudes. That superficial washed out look. You see the same thing when you look at Pelosi or listen to her talk. Progressive liberals create an alternate form of righteous superiority and then have to audacity to justify it by any means neccessary. The credence given to them is because they belong to the exclusive sect of the "self-enlightened". The problem with society is that it is simply stuck in the archaic notions of good or evil. We are hampered by our own minds and concepts because we haven't evolved to the "next" level.
Those who study the new age are familiar with this trend, which should be getting old by now. It hasn't. Like I said, it's being taught every day in public and private schools.
http://www.dadabhagwan.org/bhagwan-realization.html
It's pervasive, and it reaches those increments I talked about on the gag-O-maggot meter. Maybe I need to patent that as the Maggotometer. 
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 10:34:32 PM
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Progressive liberals create an alternate form of righteous superiority and then have to audacity to justify it by any means neccessary.
You just broke my irony meter. You owe me a new one.
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RE: B.O. Comm Dir. "Mao is My inspiration" - 10/19/2009 10:38:10 PM
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I wonder how a Chinese citizen that survived Mao would have felt if they were in the audience... or a student whose parents were murdered by Mao. Hmm. Maybe the same way a Jew would feel if some knucklehead called Hitler her "favorite political philosopher" who she "turns to most".
It boggles my mind that anyone would even want to make an excuse for one of their government officials claiming that Mao Tse Tung was one of "their favorite" philosophers and one whom they "turn to most". That isn't a joke! It only became a "JOKE" after she got busted for it! Just like all typical liberals, she lies when she gets busted being wrong.
You liberal apologists pretend to be so smart, and man times are, but then something like this comes along and your brain just falls out on the floor and gets eaten by zombies.
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