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Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that?


Saying "Oh my God"
  16% (16)
Saying TGIF (or saying the phrase)
  7% (7)
Saying God Bless You when someone sneezes
  1% (1)
Saying God d**n
  23% (23)
Saying Jesus Christ (or Christ!) as an expletive
  20% (20)
Saying "Act of God"
  1% (1)
Saying "God given talents / rights / gifts" (etc.)
  0% (0)
Saying God only knows
  3% (3)
Saying GOSH, when you really mean God
  6% (6)
Using Yeshua or Joshua or Emmanuel improperly
  4% (4)
Using Yahweh or Jehovah or YHWH improperly
  6% (6)
OTHER (please explain)
  9% (9)


Total Votes : 96


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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/18/2009 2:49:52 AM   
agapeflight

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Harvie

I was reading on another thread a discussion about "taking the Lord's name in vain" ... and wondered what that meant to you. Is there one generally accepted definition out there for this? Or a concensus? Does it mean avoiding trite phrases that mention God ... or not saying God D***, or not saying Jesus Christ (when used as an expletive?) What about Oh my God and Thank God it's Friday?

(Apologies to both the Lord and any Crosswalkers if any of the above uses of the Lord's name were offensive ... I'm merely trying to start a civil and thoughtful discussion.)

NOTE: THE POLL HAS BEEN EDITED TO ADD MORE OPTIONS


In it's strictest sense it is a sin to claim to be a Christian when one is not. So anything whereby a hypocrite invokes the name of God is taking God's name in vain. But I also agree with the standard disuses that are mentioned. I worked for a guy who went to 4-square church, real nice guy but he would always say 'Jesus Christ' when something went wrong on the job site. I tried to tell him this was in vain but somehow he never did see it that way.

On the other hand saying 'Thank God.' when something happens that we wanted to happen may or may not be, it would depend on the motive. I offer many sincere 'thank God' statements during a typical week and I mean it.

Mostly the prohibition means we ought not to speak of God in any way less than the respect He deserves as our Creator, Father, Brother, Savior, Lord, Friend,...

So again I agree with whoever said that incidental christians always saying 'praise the lord' and stuff are probably getting near the edge because they are simply using God as a religious crutch.

The Lord shine down upon you, and in you, and through you.

Amen.
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Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/18/2009 3:11:14 AM   
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I could have probably voted yes to all of those, I did for several of them. The one that really gets to me though, is when on a Christian site I see someone type OMG. Those people may not be meaning to appear to be taking the Lord's name in vain, but we live in a world that accepts that as a way of taking His name in vain and I think it hurts our witness.

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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/18/2009 4:41:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PinkCarnations

I could have probably voted yes to all of those, I did for several of them. The one that really gets to me though, is when on a Christian site I see someone type OMG. Those people may not be meaning to appear to be taking the Lord's name in vain, but we live in a world that accepts that as a way of taking His name in vain and I think it hurts our witness.


That's just the point some of us have been trying to make: "OMG" isn't "taking the Lord's name in vain" as far as the Ten Commandments are concerned. Being flippant and disrespectful, sure. "Taking in vain"? Not even close to the meaning of the passage.

We need to overcome our cultural and societal conditioning and engage Scripture on its actual, real intentions.

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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/18/2009 2:23:35 PM   
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As I wrote earlier,
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Then there are those who need their mouths washed out with soap, using His Name in unwholesome ways.

In the U.S., at least, "G-d" is used as His Name. When people pray, they say such things as "Oh, G-d," and "Father G-d," "Dear G-d," thus using the term "G-d" as His Name, and yet they use these same terms as expletives. The word should not be used lightly, whether or not others say it is not His Name, because in the US, the term is commonly used as His Name.

"Jesus" is also commonly used as Messiah's Name, but it is not His Name. Many believers highly revere the name Jesus. Would it, then, be acceptable for me to deride that name, using it as an expletive? NO! That would be a slap in His face, because He is (ha!) very aware that people use this as His Name, and He hasn't derided any for that! Instead, He has saved souls and lives through that name; He has heard prayers in that name. So it should be for the term, G-d.

College freshman anthropology tried its best to numb us to language being offensive, giving us the histories of words, encouraging us to use words that were culturally unacceptable. I don't buy it. There certainly is cultural history to words, but history, in no way, cleanses bad language. No bitter college prof with an agenda is impressive to me. I believe we need to act like, look like, and sound like people who love the L-rd in every way, from the very marrow of our bones to the very outer boundaries of our personal space. How are we glorifying G-d by not doing that?

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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/19/2009 8:14:52 PM   
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I might be wrong here, but I don't think "God" is the Lord's name. The Mosaic books are very clear on what the Lord's name is. Saying "God" inappropriately is by no means the right thing to do, but it is not anywhere near saying the Lord's name in vain.

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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/19/2009 10:14:17 PM   
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Ben's post #21 is the correct answer to the OP's question.
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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/19/2009 10:36:32 PM   
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Hey McFatty! Good to see you!
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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/20/2009 7:44:26 AM   
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Thank you, stella. Every now and then I pop back in. I enjoy discussions here, but when it gets too heated, I tend to take a break for a while.

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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/20/2009 9:17:17 AM   
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"Oh my goodness" is that considered taking the Lord's name in vain?
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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/20/2009 12:16:56 PM   
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Contrary to popular belief, taking the Lord's name in vain has nothing to do with those phrases we hear on television (eg: oh my god). So what does taking the Lord's name in vain actually mean? If you read into the context of Exodus chapter 20, you will find out it means taking God's name falsely. In other words, you shall not represent the character of God falsely.
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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/20/2009 12:25:56 PM   
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Exodus 20:7 - This verse has more to do with how we live than it does with how we word our phrases. Hope this makes sense.
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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/20/2009 12:35:38 PM   
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Probably on to something there. "Taking" the Lord's name could refer to claiming to be His follower.

Regardless, it should be pretty clear that it's speaking of the Lord's actual name, rather than some man-made title.

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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/20/2009 4:18:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: laura...

I voted "other".

Consider the following scriptures:

Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds. 15 Therefore, this is what the LORD says about the prophets who are prophesying in my name: I did not send them, yet they are saying, 'No sword or famine will touch this land.' Those same prophets will perish by sword and famine. 16 And the people they are prophesying to will be thrown out into the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and sword. There will be no one to bury them or their wives, their sons or their daughters. I will pour out on them the calamity they deserve.

Jer 23:21 I did not send these prophets,
yet they have run with their message;
I did not speak to them,
yet they have prophesied.

Jer 29:23
For they have done outrageous things in Israel; they have committed adultery with their neighbors' wives and in my name have spoken lies, which I did not tell them to do. I know it and am a witness to it," declares the LORD.


The 3rd commandment is broken when we say, "God said" when God did not.



I also voted other. I agree with this.
So many run around saying "Thus saith the LORD."
That is taking the Lord's name in vain to me.

All the other falls into profanity.

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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/20/2009 6:55:09 PM   
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If someone says: "Thus sayeth YHVH" ('the LORD' (KJV)), acting to be speaking God's words, God's name is being taken in vain, IMO. That dude is in a heap of trouble with God.

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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/21/2009 1:24:29 PM   
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Self appointed prophet dies and goes to heaven.
{well, before the judge}.

And the Judge says, "You said I said WHAT!!!!??"

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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/21/2009 2:55:26 PM   
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That is a bit worse than some seaman calling the ships Captain, 'Hey, You!' (He Dead)

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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/22/2009 1:58:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Johnny_

Ben's post #21 is the correct answer to the OP's question.


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RE: Taking the Lord's Name in Vain ... what is that? - 10/22/2009 10:07:14 PM   
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Johnny, saying rawr.ben's post 21 is the gooderest, is right.!.!. No argument here. I would have liked to say what he say so well, and I say so un-well.

May YHVH forgive me the times I misused his name unto having no strength. May the blood of Jesus, the Messiah, cover my many and grievous errors, and stumblings. But we cannot, ever, never, at all, not say His name, in great Respect, Praise, Worship, and Familiarity, for YHVH is not only our God, but our Father, Teacher, Councilor, Brother, Sister, Mother, pick a way to relate He fills that way.

God wants souls He can spend eternity with, not cowering rocks, hiding from His sight. Lift up your faces to YHVH, and show Him the love in your eyes, and your every expression. Oooeeee, and Yeee-Haaa!! The joy of being in His presence for that eternity and a day (only a fool travels without a spare day). He comes, soon, for His Bride, and Church. Keep the watch, and keep your Shofar near, our redemption draws nigh...Oh the pain of waiting for my Savior, and Spouse.

In Messiah, The One. Arley

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