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RE: God's Purpose - 10/5/2009 1:29:46 AM
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Chrio
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Btw.... Doesn't it say ALL things work for the good of those who love the Lord according to His purpose... You seem to believe it's only the good things.... God does work all things...
It reads, "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28
So God is not the one working all things but He is there to ensure the result ... the result for those who love Him is a good result. Ask Joseph. God did not work the evil toward Joseph but He did ensure Joseph's good results and the fulfillment of his dreams as a boy.
Faith sees what ain't so, to be so, til it's so!
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/5/2009 10:38:42 AM
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Clearly sin is not of God. Apparently it's not so clear to some of our brethren... 
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It is not His tool, it is what He eradicated on the earth through the life & death of His only begotten's shed blood! I need this documented! If sin has been eradicated on the earth for the last 1980 years, then why do all continue to sin and require the Atoning Blood of Jesus for salvation?
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/5/2009 2:38:28 PM
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I need this documented! God's allowance does not equal His decree. Because ungodly men obtain earthly positions does not mean God placed each in the position.
See Romans 9....
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/5/2009 2:41:18 PM
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It reads, "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28
So God is not the one working all things but He is there to ensure the result ...
What is God not working?
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/5/2009 2:42:54 PM
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drmark
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See Romans 9.... Yes, the classic "prooftext" for Hyper-Calvinism. Isn't it a shame, Chrio, that none of them have read the classic rebuttal by Arminius...
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/5/2009 10:43:59 PM
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Total comedy... Oh...And the reason you asked the question was to avoid dealing with God's actions in the examples I gave...
Oh, right, your Pharaoh crutch again. I forgot to respond to that for the thousandth time....my bad.
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Yes because Pharaoh placed himself into power so God could show the world His great power....Oh wait the bible says God did that... As well other things...
***sigh***
The frequency in which you rely on this crutch, coupled with your ignoring those who respond time and time again, would make even the most rational observer conclude that your broken leg may never heal. I'll save my breath, and simply state the truth that God does not decree sin. IDK about you SIH, but I'm glad I serve a God who doesn't smile when I stumble!
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/6/2009 12:04:42 PM
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Oh, right, your Pharaoh crutch again. I forgot to respond to that for the thousandth time....my bad.
Sure you have, like you did here...
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***sigh***
Oh brother...
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The frequency in which you rely on this crutch, coupled with your ignoring those who respond time and time again, would make even the most rational observer conclude that your broken leg may never heal. I'll save my breath, and simply state the truth that God does not decree sin. IDK about you SIH, but I'm glad I serve a God who doesn't smile when I stumble!
Nice bit of obfuscation... And the bit about you responding is great stuff... Hopefully for your sake the "rational observer" will not seek the truth of that matter... Yes, save your breath and ignore the question and continue to serve yourself, since that is who is first on your list.
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/6/2009 4:40:45 PM
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Nice bit of obfuscation... And the bit about you responding is great stuff... Hopefully for your sake the "rational observer" will not seek the truth of that matter... Yes, save your breath and ignore the question and continue to serve yourself, since that is who is first on your list.
LOL! All one needs is to look not so far into the past archives to see all the great responses to your horribly un-Biblical POV. The multitude of occasions on which you speak of Pharaoh, and how glorious and absolute a proof you think he is, makes you sound at best desperate for any real substance. I could very well copy and paste what I have saved to my hard drive as "response to SIH's Pharaoh"...but that would take away all the fun! It's so amusing listening to you complain about how I ignore you.
And as you continue to complain, may I revert back to the OP for a moment. Here is an individual who believes God decrees/will/desires sin. Now OP, you have one of two choices. Either God's purpose in your life, and everyone else's life, is for you to serve Him, or His purpose for your life could be just the opposite. You can accept the atrocious and erroneous teachings of hyper-Calvinism, or not. You now have the POV of many, and hopefully have your answers.
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/7/2009 12:33:50 AM
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Chrio
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May I remind you of whom you are speaking with.
Yes you may! and I will remind you that I am the OP.
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/7/2009 1:09:58 AM
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Chrio
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Greetings in Jesus
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See Romans 9....
Making Romans 9 stretch to all leaders, rulers and heads of every nation, country etc ... is not exegetically sound.
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What is God not working?
That is not what I said nor inferred. Is this verse so difficult to understand?
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I need this documented! If sin has been eradicated on the earth for the last 1980 years, then why do all continue to sin and require the Atoning Blood of Jesus for salvation?
drmark ... my bad ... not eradicated but defeated. Penalty for sin paid!
Faith sees what ain't so, to be so, til it's so.
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/7/2009 8:10:03 AM
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drmark ... my bad ... not eradicated but defeated. Penalty for sin paid! Amen! No bad intended, I see. It's just that the term "eradicated" has very significant theological overtones in my doctrinal tradition and I needed clarification to appreciate what you meant. Sin can indeed be eradicated, but not on the entire earth until Jesus comes again!
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/20/2009 9:16:17 AM
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Chrio, thanks for the thread!
IMO, the purpose of God is to reveal His Love to the ones He created! Throughout the entire Scriptures from the creation, He shew His Love for Adam & Even, even though they made mistakes, HE shew His Love and Compassion for them! How many people in the history had and have failed God, but His Love remains the same!
More importantly, HE sent His Only Son to let us reconcile with Him! Without the blood of our Savior, there's no way we could become the children of God again! By the way, evry1needsgod, Roman 6 is just a wonderful reference though!
In Genesis 1: 27 says, "So God creae man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them!" When we know His Purpose, we would understand the purpose of our lives which HE created for! We as children of God shall extend this kind of Love to the world and have more to reconcile with Him!
Hope this may create profound understanding! 
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