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God's Purpose - 9/30/2009 2:15:08 PM
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Chrio
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Greetings in Jesus
I am currently taking a course and God's Purpose is center to all we are studying.
So what is God's purpose? We have purpose statements for ourselves, our businesses, our churches & ministries, even some families have a purpose statement. But where in Scripture do we find the ultimate Purpose statement? What is it that God is purposed to make happen? What is He doing? What is it that keeps Him operating in our world? Is it our salvation? Defeating the devil?
Just seems if we know and understand this we can better direct our lives toward what He is doing in the earth. IMHO.
This far by Grace ... onward by Faith
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RE: God's Purpose - 9/30/2009 2:23:22 PM
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Greetings in Jesus
I am currently taking a course and God's Purpose is center to all we are studying.
So what is God's purpose? We have purpose statements for ourselves, our businesses, our churches & ministries, even some families have a purpose statement. But where in Scripture do we find the ultimate Purpose statement? What is it that God is purposed to make happen? What is He doing? What is it that keeps Him operating in our world? Is it our salvation? Defeating the devil?
Just seems if we know and understand this we can better direct our lives toward what He is doing in the earth. IMHO.
This far by Grace ... onward by Faith
Isaiah 43:10 --- that He is God... and there is no other. His glory. That's His purpose on earth. To reveal Himself to us. And through us.
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/2/2009 10:50:41 AM
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Exodus 3:14 - "I AM WHO I AM!"
The "purpose" of God is to actualize the "purpose" of reality. There is no reality without the Eternal, Omnipotent, Infinite, and Living God to create, sustain, and define time, space, matter, and life.
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/2/2009 11:07:21 AM
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1 Cor 15:28 -- And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. KJV
Eph 1:10 -- That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: KJV
Col 1:20 -- And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. KJV
2 Tim 1:9-10 -- Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel: KJV
Col 1:16-17 -- For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. KJV
2 Tim 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, KJV
It seems to me that Gods ultimate purpose is to establish an earthly kingdom inhabited by a family that loves and worships him.
He created earth, He sent his Son to redeem us and He promises to come to earth and rule for eternity
Revelation 21:7
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. (KJV)
Revelation 21:3
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.(KJV)
In Messiah,
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/2/2009 12:54:02 PM
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But where in Scripture do we find the ultimate Purpose statement?
This will probably not go over well in a course about God's purpose but i know it to be true. Take it for whatever it is worth to you.
Scripture is a Whole (2 Timothy 3:16 and 17 among others). A Living Entity capable of truly nourishing us (too many individual passages to list). We see thinly as through a veil (paraphrase but you are familiar with the passage). We are finite humans for as long as we are in this flesh and we are inadequate. God simply does not share the entirety of His purpose with creatures as limited as us. Everything those who have posted here have said is true but only in part because for now we see in part and we prophesy in part (another familiar verse in christianity). We simply do not get to know His purpose in its fullness. We cannot handle the little He has given us
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/2/2009 1:20:51 PM
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We cannot handle the little He has given us Speak for yourself, bondserve65. I handle some things pretty well, with the mind of Christ - 1 Cor 2:16.
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/2/2009 2:05:02 PM
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Man had perfection in the Garden and couldn't maintain it and that was apart from a fallen state... Once the hedge of protection was raised Job was at God mercy... It was only by His hand Satan didn't take Job's life... We only handle what God decrees....
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/2/2009 4:32:50 PM
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We cannot handle the little He has given us Speak for yourself, bondserve65. I handle some things pretty well, with the mind of Christ - 1 Cor 2:16.
And the entire chapter of Romans 6! I Thank God every day for the ability He's given me to serve Him out of love and appreciation. I thank God everyday for giving me access to the Holy Spirit who, through His leading, enables me to live in Christ-likeness every moment of every day. I say we CAN handle the ABUNDANCE He has given us concerning His purpose for our lives! Praise God!
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/2/2009 9:21:44 PM
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We only handle what God decrees.... So what is the purpose of God's decrees, SIH?
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/3/2009 12:19:44 AM
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We cannot handle the little He has given us Speak for yourself, bondserve65. I handle some things pretty well, with the mind of Christ - 1 Cor 2:16.
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/3/2009 8:16:59 AM
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ok? Are you satisfied in not handling the little He has given you? In light of Luke 12:48, I certainly would not be!
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/3/2009 2:14:35 PM
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We only handle what God decrees.... So what is the purpose of God's decrees, SIH?
His good pleasure of course... Certainly not the opportunity to elevate ourselves...
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/3/2009 8:02:30 PM
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We only handle what God decrees.... So what is the purpose of God's decrees, SIH?
His good pleasure of course... Certainly not the opportunity to elevate ourselves...
So do God's decrees, or that which is good pleasure to Him, include evil and sin?
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/3/2009 8:28:30 PM
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We only handle what God decrees.... So what is the purpose of God's decrees, SIH?
His good pleasure of course... Certainly not the opportunity to elevate ourselves...
So do God's decrees, or that which is good pleasure to Him, include evil and sin?
Pharaoh wasn't a nice guy by any standard, yet God placed him into power to show the world His great power... Lifted the protection around Job to make a point... Evil isn't outside the scope of creation, if it were God would not have soverign control of it... As He so clearly showed with Satan and Job....
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/3/2009 8:39:04 PM
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We only handle what God decrees.... So what is the purpose of God's decrees, SIH?
His good pleasure of course... Certainly not the opportunity to elevate ourselves...
So do God's decrees, or that which is good pleasure to Him, include evil and sin?
Pharaoh wasn't a nice guy by any standard, yet God placed him into power to show the world His great power... Lifted the protection around Job to make a point... Evil isn't outside the scope of creation, if it were God would not have soverign control of it... As He so clearly showed with Satan and Job....
So God decrees sin? His purpose in some lives is sin?
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/3/2009 8:46:18 PM
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ok? Are you satisfied in not handling the little He has given you? In light of Luke 12:48, I certainly would not be!
i am satisfied with the God i serve and trusting Him to take of what i can't. Am i satisfied with the fact that i am inadequate? No, i am not...or yes i am...depends how i look at it at any given moment. i strive to serve Him as He demands but within my inadequacies He is made stronger and perfect in my life.
Whatever i am satisfied with or not satisfied with in my own life, i am certainly satisfied with your right to serve god any way you choose. He gave you that right
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/3/2009 8:48:33 PM
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We only handle what God decrees.... So what is the purpose of God's decrees, SIH?
His good pleasure of course... Certainly not the opportunity to elevate ourselves...
So do God's decrees, or that which is good pleasure to Him, include evil and sin?
Complicated question as His plan is a part of His good pleasure as well as a part of His decrees. Might warrant another thread all to itself
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/3/2009 8:58:28 PM
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We only handle what God decrees.... So what is the purpose of God's decrees, SIH?
His good pleasure of course... Certainly not the opportunity to elevate ourselves...
So do God's decrees, or that which is good pleasure to Him, include evil and sin?
Pharaoh wasn't a nice guy by any standard, yet God placed him into power to show the world His great power... Lifted the protection around Job to make a point... Evil isn't outside the scope of creation, if it were God would not have soverign control of it... As He so clearly showed with Satan and Job....
So God decrees sin? His purpose in some lives is sin?
Romans chapter 9 with an emphasis on verses 20-24, 15 and 13
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/3/2009 8:59:44 PM
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We only handle what God decrees.... So what is the purpose of God's decrees, SIH?
His good pleasure of course... Certainly not the opportunity to elevate ourselves...
So do God's decrees, or that which is good pleasure to Him, include evil and sin?
Complicated question as His plan is a part of His good pleasure as well as a part of His decrees. Might warrant another thread all to itself
No it's actually quite simple. God does not decree sin! Nor is His purpose in ANYONE'S life to sin! That is atrociously sadistic and warrants not a single ounce of attention, IMO. Would you give place to one who tells you, for example, that the man who raped your daughter was all God's purpose, and that she should enjoy being in God's will?
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/3/2009 9:03:46 PM
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We only handle what God decrees.... So what is the purpose of God's decrees, SIH?
His good pleasure of course... Certainly not the opportunity to elevate ourselves...
So do God's decrees, or that which is good pleasure to Him, include evil and sin?
Pharaoh wasn't a nice guy by any standard, yet God placed him into power to show the world His great power... Lifted the protection around Job to make a point... Evil isn't outside the scope of creation, if it were God would not have soverign control of it... As He so clearly showed with Satan and Job....
So God decrees sin? His purpose in some lives is sin?
Romans chapter 9 with an emphasis on verses 20-24, 15 and 13
All in light of 1 John 4:8, 16 with an emphasis on 2 Peter 3:9.
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/3/2009 11:00:08 PM
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All in light of 1 John 4:8, 16 with an emphasis on 2 Peter 3:9.
Yes, of course. ALWAYS putting it back into the context of the entire Word!
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/3/2009 11:04:22 PM
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No it's actually quite simple. God does not decree sin! Nor is His purpose in ANYONE'S life to sin! That is atrociously sadistic and warrants not a single ounce of attention, IMO. Would you give place to one who tells you, for example, that the man who raped your daughter was all God's purpose, and that she should enjoy being in God's will?
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i would tell people alota things....or more accurately DO tell people alotta things they do not like to hear if i know it to be the truth. The drama does not phase me either. i can match drama for drama and exceed the vast majority of people. THAT was within God's will and i am grateful for it. Without the life He gave me, not only would i not be the person He created me to be but i would not be able to fulfil the call He has placed upon my life.
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/4/2009 12:45:47 AM
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We only handle what God decrees.... So what is the purpose of God's decrees, SIH?
His good pleasure of course... Certainly not the opportunity to elevate ourselves...
So do God's decrees, or that which is good pleasure to Him, include evil and sin?
Pharaoh wasn't a nice guy by any standard, yet God placed him into power to show the world His great power... Lifted the protection around Job to make a point... Evil isn't outside the scope of creation, if it were God would not have soverign control of it... As He so clearly showed with Satan and Job....
So God decrees sin? His purpose in some lives is sin?
He decreed Pharaoh.... Hardly a man of God... To rule much of the known world at the time...Why? For purpose of showing the world His great power... And the best part... When Pharaoh agreed to let God's people go God moved Pharaoh so that he wouldn't let them go... Go figure...
If a man did the above it would be sinful...
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/4/2009 12:52:45 AM
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We only handle what God decrees.... So what is the purpose of God's decrees, SIH?
His good pleasure of course... Certainly not the opportunity to elevate ourselves...
So do God's decrees, or that which is good pleasure to Him, include evil and sin?
Complicated question as His plan is a part of His good pleasure as well as a part of His decrees. Might warrant another thread all to itself
No it's actually quite simple. God does not decree sin! Nor is His purpose in ANYONE'S life to sin! That is atrociously sadistic and warrants not a single ounce of attention, IMO. Would you give place to one who tells you, for example, that the man who raped your daughter was all God's purpose, and that she should enjoy being in God's will?
What terrible deed did Job do to have God remove the hedge of protection around him and allow Satan to all but kill him? Of course Satan did kill others... Wasn't like God was not aware of what Satan would do.... In fact it says fire reigned down from heaven and wiped out the fields, livestock, servants....
Btw.... Doesn't it say ALL things work for the good of those who love the Lord according to His purpose... You seem to believe it's only the good things.... God does work all things...
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RE: God's Purpose - 10/5/2009 1:17:02 AM
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He decreed Pharaoh....
I need this documented! God's allowance does not equal His decree. Because ungodly men obtain earthly positions does not mean God placed each in the position.
However, I do not see how this is in response to the OP. Clearly sin is not of God. It is not His tool, it is what He eradicated on the earth through the life & death of His only begotten's shed blood!
Elena's post said it very well ... God's purpose is His Worship and Glory, coming from every people of every people on earth. Watch Scripture from OT to NT ... see how often the phrase "all nations" or "all peoples" is used. Watch the context ... God's purpose is about God & His Kingdom. If you agree, how does this affect how you live?
Faith sees what ain't so, to be so, til it's so!
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