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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/14/2008 11:10:32 AM
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I listen to whatever suits my mood at the time. I enjoy a vast variety of music: classic rock, some modern pop, jazz, country and Christian rock(Skillet, Kutless, etc) and some praise/worship styles(Chris Tomlin, etc.). The main reason I listen to secular as well as Christian is because there are few Christian groups I really enjoy and some genres I'd never get to listen to if I limited my choices to just Christian music. I can't stand CCM. It sounds like they all follow the same cookie cutter pattern. Most of it gets so overplayed and bores me to tears. If CCM was all that was out there, I'd gouge my ears out.
I do refuse to listen to music that uses curse words or uses the Lord's name in that way though, so I consider myself pretty selective.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/14/2008 11:14:45 AM
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I can't stand CCM. It sounds like they all follow the same cookie cutter pattern.
Now you noticed that too?
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I do refuse to listen to music that uses curse words or uses the Lord's name in that way though, so I consider myself pretty selective.
I am pretty much the same way as well. If I like a song that has the Lord's name in vain or speaks about God in a blashemous way, I turn the sound down for a moment or ignore the bad part instead.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/15/2008 11:59:25 PM
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i've been a christian since 1979 & i cant listen to secular music. i've been doing music professionally for over 25 yrs now & back in the early 1980's thru the late 1990's my band was signed to a major secular label & major secular music publisher.
much the same way Jon Gibson started by releasing his 1st lp in '83(filled with christian songs,in fact his 1st christian lp was more or less his 1st secular release from '83) on a secular label then moving to a christian label.
from day 1,even tho we were on a secular label,we always made it known to the powers that be we were christians in a christian band writing christian songs,much like Mr Mister.
i just feel if you listen to secular music,eventually it will have an underlying effect on you like getting caught up back in the world,caught up in ones flesh etc......
if you are a christian & you want to listen to secular music,i promise you there is a christian alternative. for example:: if you listen to Depeche Mode,theres christian bands like,Joy electric that sounds very similar plus others.
if you listen to heavy metal,theres a huge christian metal scene.the same goes for.....rap/alternative/country/jazz/r&b/disco/electronica/rock/pop/hip hop............etc.....
theres christian artists/bands that represent every genre of music that you can find in the secular market place.
you just need to look & maybe even try a large christian store chain or even try on line.
Europe & the United Kingdom as well as AulstrailAsia,South & Central America,Eastern Europe have a very vital & strong christian music scene with thousands of record labels....etc
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/16/2008 12:16:58 AM
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percussionlover, I think that's the problem many people have with Christian music. A lot of it is imitations of secular bands, except with little to none of the talent. It's my opinion that Christianity should be leading the creative world, not the other way around. It baffles me that Christians are afraid to step out on their own two feet and create original art, instead of imitating someone else's. Note that I acknowledge there is a lot of original art in Christianity, at least in music...although I don't acknowledge there's a lot of original and worthwhile art in any other form.
Mr. Mister probably wasn't the best example to use, most don't take 80's music very seriously...especially 80's pop. Along with Joy Electric sounding like Depeche Mode. They're in the same genre, but that's about it. But since you brought up an 80's alternative band...how about naming some Christian imitations of the following: The Cure, The Smiths, Psychedelic Furs, Kate Bush, The Replacements, Husker Du.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/16/2008 12:35:58 AM
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...here we go again...
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/16/2008 8:57:15 AM
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...here we go again...
Neal Morse ladies and gentlemen. Neal Morse has entered the building.
Although there are some new players Neal. I vow to stay away from this from now on and say nothing disparaging.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/16/2008 10:52:45 AM
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...here we go again...
I was thinking the same thing. Another "you're gonna burn if you listen to this" thread. Sad how every discussion of music degenerates into the same lame debate.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/16/2008 11:19:50 AM
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...here we go again...
I was thinking the same thing. Another "you're gonna burn if you listen to this" thread. Sad how every discussion of music degenerates into the same lame debate.
Hell for me would be an eternity of these threads. Uh-oh, I must be in hell! 
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/16/2008 4:18:43 PM
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/17/2008 12:19:02 AM
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I thank everyone for their input, but I surely don't want this to turn into a "you're going to hell" thread. I've stated my position on this and gave the scripture that was given to me as confirmation of what the Lord told me to do. There is another that I will post for you all. Romans Chapter 6 verse 16 reads, "Do you know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves to obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?" I'm not saying that you're sinning by listening to the secular music, but you are presenting youself to it. Therefore, worldly behaviors and patterns of thinking will show out in your life one way or another. It's not your born-again spirit that draws you to the secular music nor the Holy Spirit within you, but it's your flesh. Romans Chapter 13 verse 14 reads, "But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill it's lusts." When you open yourself up to worldly things, you're making provision for the flesh. Some people claim that I take "being holy" way too serious, but shouldn't wwe take "being holy" serious because the Word says that God did not call us to uncleanness, but to holiness (1Thessalonians Chapter 4 v.8). We are supposed to be the salt and light of the earth. We are supposed to come out from among the shadows of the worldly and be vessels of honor set apart to God. Not saying that God cannot use you right now, because we all know that if he can make a donkey speak he surely can use anyone. But if you would put away all that was within your grasp of this world, He would do that much more through you. It's all up to you though, what you choose to do. In 1 Chronicles Chapter 29 verse 5 David asks the people, "Who then is willing to consecrate himself this day to the Lord?" I stand here with my hand raised.
There is also something else that I think I will go ahead and tell you all. Part of my testimony is that I had, at one point in my life, literally sold my soul to Satan for fame, fortune, and the lifestyle that comes along with it. I didn't ask for a spirit guide though, which is basically allowing yourself to be demon posessed. I had been given a gift by God, but I fell into the trap of using my gift for myself in an effort to get rich. I signed a contract in blood and all of that to make it in the music industry. I found out that a very large number of people in the industry has done this very thing. Why do you think you see so many of these artists blow up out of nowhere. Alot of them are blatant in expressing the fact as well. Some try to be more discreet and keep it hidden. It's rampant in the music industry, but of course they're not going to all try to make it known like Marylin Manson. The reason there is such of a pull behind the music is because of the witchcraft behind the music. In the background of some of the songs there are witches and warlocks performing demonic incantations. So while you're thinking that you're just listening to a "good" song, you really could be allowing a demon to be called up into your presence. Next thing you know, all kind of stuff is going on in your life. I'll give you an example. Have you ever heard the Biggie Smalls track "Who Shot Ya"? Have you ever heard just the instrumental? There is a chick in the background saying something that you cannot understand. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Big was on an XXL cover, if I remember the magazine correctly, wearing a jacket that had 666 on it plain as day. This stuff is real whether you want to believe it or not. It was a hard road for me to come up out of the bondage I subjected myself to by doing what I did. When the Lord began dealing with me, Satan himslef came and stood in the doorway of my bedroom. I had never been so scared in my life. He told me, out loud and as audible as me having a face to face convo with any of you, "I'm going to kill you when I get the chance." I can sill hear it. I'm not scared anymore though because I know who I am in Christ and that God's power is more than Satan can handle. It's not me who fights the battle, but God fights for me. THIS IS A TRUE STORY. God knows that I'm not lying.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/17/2008 4:16:11 AM
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Wow, WesleyGlenn. I'm not even going to consider doubting your story, there's no point and it's a waste of time. But I'm considering everything you said to be true, even what you said about musicians and witchcraft. Note that I don't necessarily believe that to be true. However, if it is true...that still brings the question to my mind...so what? That's dumb if they're so insecure in their own abilities that they would do that to get "insurance" for their future. In your own words, some may have done that. Doesn't indicate every secular musician has purposely sold their soul to Satan. Ah man, I'm trying not to laugh as I'm typing this. Anyway, it is quite possible that some bands/musicians have fans simply because they're talented. And if they so happen to be famous also, a large part of that is luck...being in the right place at the right time. (I obviously don't believe in luck, but you know what I mean. Chance, coincidence, whatever.)
There are still many insanely talented and brilliant songwriters that don't get their deserved respect in the secular world. Although with the popularization of "indie/underground" music lately in films and television, it seems there is an audience for every particular artist. That's another topic.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/17/2008 6:48:33 AM
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I thank everyone for their input, but I surely don't want this to turn into a "you're going to hell" thread. I've stated my position on this and gave the scripture that was given to me as confirmation of what the Lord told me to do. There is another that I will post for you all. Romans Chapter 6 verse 16 reads, "Do you know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves to obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?" I'm not saying that you're sinning by listening to the secular music, but you are presenting youself to it. Therefore, worldly behaviors and patterns of thinking will show out in your life one way or another. It's not your born-again spirit that draws you to the secular music nor the Holy Spirit within you, but it's your flesh. Romans Chapter 13 verse 14 reads, "But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill it's lusts." When you open yourself up to worldly things, you're making provision for the flesh. Some people claim that I take "being holy" way too serious, but shouldn't wwe take "being holy" serious because the Word says that God did not call us to uncleanness, but to holiness (1Thessalonians Chapter 4 v.8). We are supposed to be the salt and light of the earth. We are supposed to come out from among the shadows of the worldly and be vessels of honor set apart to God. Not saying that God cannot use you right now, because we all know that if he can make a donkey speak he surely can use anyone. But if you would put away all that was within your grasp of this world, He would do that much more through you. It's all up to you though, what you choose to do. In 1 Chronicles Chapter 29 verse 5 David asks the people, "Who then is willing to consecrate himself this day to the Lord?" I stand here with my hand raised.
There is also something else that I think I will go ahead and tell you all. Part of my testimony is that I had, at one point in my life, literally sold my soul to Satan for fame, fortune, and the lifestyle that comes along with it. I didn't ask for a spirit guide though, which is basically allowing yourself to be demon posessed. I had been given a gift by God, but I fell into the trap of using my gift for myself in an effort to get rich. I signed a contract in blood and all of that to make it in the music industry. I found out that a very large number of people in the industry has done this very thing. Why do you think you see so many of these artists blow up out of nowhere. Alot of them are blatant in expressing the fact as well. Some try to be more discreet and keep it hidden. It's rampant in the music industry, but of course they're not going to all try to make it known like Marylin Manson. The reason there is such of a pull behind the music is because of the witchcraft behind the music. In the background of some of the songs there are witches and warlocks performing demonic incantations. So while you're thinking that you're just listening to a "good" song, you really could be allowing a demon to be called up into your presence. Next thing you know, all kind of stuff is going on in your life. I'll give you an example. Have you ever heard the Biggie Smalls track "Who Shot Ya"? Have you ever heard just the instrumental? There is a chick in the background saying something that you cannot understand. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Big was on an XXL cover, if I remember the magazine correctly, wearing a jacket that had 666 on it plain as day. This stuff is real whether you want to believe it or not. It was a hard road for me to come up out of the bondage I subjected myself to by doing what I did. When the Lord began dealing with me, Satan himslef came and stood in the doorway of my bedroom. I had never been so scared in my life. He told me, out loud and as audible as me having a face to face convo with any of you, "I'm going to kill you when I get the chance." I can sill hear it. I'm not scared anymore though because I know who I am in Christ and that God's power is more than Satan can handle. It's not me who fights the battle, but God fights for me. THIS IS A TRUE STORY. God knows that I'm not lying.
WesleyGlenn I suggest to keep it short go back in the thread archives and read the threads that have already debated this issue. No one (including me) has anything new to say on the subject.
No demon better enter my presence because our Lord will help me kick its butt back to where he came from or as P.O.D. would say He would help me "Snuff the Punk" (which they depicted so aptly on the cover artwork of that album). And my story is similar to yours except it was one of 20-25 years ago. One thing that experience taught me was that He who is in me is truly greater that he who is in the world and that music only will have that power over me if I allow it. Well, I stopped allowing it 20 years ago.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/17/2008 7:54:50 AM
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Back on topic: I do listen to "secular" music, Christian music and "secular" music made by Christians. I've heard all the arguments against rock and roll and music that doesn't glorify God, but I just don't buy those arguments any more. Maybe I've been jaded by them. The whole "sold our souls for rock and roll" thing doesn't even register with me.
I'm an equal opprotunity listener when it comes to music I consider good. You may not like what I like, but that's OK. That's what makes us different. Thank God for that!
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/17/2008 9:13:06 AM
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I do not listen to secular music for the most part, but I do not limit myself on any music. I listen to whatever music I like. If I were to go down my iTunes list right now, I would find that it is 100% Christian artists, but that doesn't mean that it's all I listen to. I own a ton of secular music, but I prefer Christian these days.
OK, now for that Artist list on iTunes:
Addison Road
After Edmund
After The Tragedy
Aireline
All-Star United
The Almost
Anberlin
As Cities Burn
BarlowGirl
The Beautiful Mistake
Bleach
Blindside
Brave Saint Saturn
Breaking The Silence
Cam
Chasing Victory
Children 18:3
Copeland
Crashing Jericho
Day of Fire
Decemberadio
Decyfer Down
Demon Hunter
Disciple
Diverse Citizens
Dizmas
DJ Maj
Downhere
Eleventyseven
Embodyment
Emery
Everyday Sunday
Falling Up
Family Force 5
Fighting Jacks
Fireflight
Flame
Flyleaf
Further Seems Forever
GRITS
Group 1 Crew
Hawk Nelson
House Of Heroes
Hyper Static Union
J.R.
Jeremy Camp
John Reuben
Jon Foreman
Kids in the Way
KJ-52
Kutless
L.A. Symphony
Lecrae
Leeland
Lyrycyst
Mae
Manafest
Mars Ill
Needtobreathe
Nevertheless
Number One Gun
Our Heart's Hero
P.O.D.
Pigeon John
Pillar
Project 86
Red
Relient K
Run Kid Run
Ruth
Sanctus Real
Seventh Day Slumber
Showbread
Skillet
Soul P.
Spoken
Stavesacre
Stellar Kart
Switchfoot
Thousand Foot Krutch
Tobymac
Tree 63
Underoath
Wavorly
Willie Will
Yosemite Mudflap
116 Clique
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/17/2008 10:15:03 AM
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WesleyGlenn I suggest to keep it short go back in the thread archives and read the threads that have already debated this issue. No one (including me) has anything new to say on the subject.
I've mentioned it before but I'll say it again, there should be a one stop thread on this subject.
No offense but I cannot figure out why the moderators will not do this.
Not that they're wrong or that I'm right but I cannot see the argument against it. Maybe I'm missing something.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/17/2008 10:17:20 AM
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there should be a one stop thread on this subject
This has got my vote.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/17/2008 11:39:00 AM
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I know I am breaking my own vows here but according to my ex wife, vows just aren't that important. Wesley! Validate your testimony, where can I look up what you've done, I beleive you when you say you sold your soul to the devil as we all probably have at some point and until we accepted Christ our soul was condemned anyway. But I know attorney's, ceo's and business owners that I could probably say the same thing about, selling their souls to get rich. (see "The Devils Advocate") Where have I heard your music? Did you get anywhere?
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/18/2008 12:13:44 AM
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I listen to it because, overall, it is superior to CCM. For every quality CCM act, there are about 200 quality secular acts.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/18/2008 12:40:09 AM
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Honestly, I agree with a lot of the posts here. A majority of the music that I listen to is Christian, but I have a lot of other genres as well. I don't have any music with cursing using God's name, or cursing in general. There's no music that I listen to currently that I wouldn't mind playing for fellow Christians. Believe it or not, not all "secular" music is bad-The Fray, Daughtry, Marie Digby...all bands that I adore that are still 100% clean.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/18/2008 5:27:04 AM
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I also could support a one-stop.
It would sure make it easier to refer to our previous posts! They wouldn't be scattered across a lot of different threads!
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/18/2008 9:52:39 AM
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Just for the Record... The Fray and Daughtry are played on Christian radio stations... :)
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/18/2008 10:16:24 AM
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I also could support a one-stop.
It would sure make it easier to refer to our previous posts! They wouldn't be scattered across a lot of different threads!
I asked and got told admin didn't think it was necessary. Maybe if somebody sent fudge?
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