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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/25/2008 10:40:41 PM   
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Well I have a thought or two after reading the latest post and it is simple really.....
Before the singing actually starts, when the groups are setting up, they are not typically wearing the clothes they wear when they sing on the stage later that evening. So...with what I have read on the suit and tie belief then it makes me wonder if a person went into the church while the group was setting up with an urgent prayer need do you think they would care what the SG artist was wearing then? Do you think if they felt it was urgent and had arrived early in hopes of a few extra moments to discuss this and ask to have the SG artist pray with them that the person in need would wait until it was suit and tie time to express their request? I don't think so...in fact I KNOW they would not. Again the point being clothes do not make the man...God does!

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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/25/2008 10:51:38 PM   
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exactly tenorsister. I agree 110%.

letstake a look at the man whom Jesus came to when He was baptised. a man Jesus loved. He wore a robe and sandals much like Jesus yes. but what does the Bible teach us? his clothes were worn and he was something of a wild man in appearence. he was not dressed in the finest robes.


kinda like this thought. if Jesus came to walk the earth today, would He wear all these fine suits? and would He sit in the great majestic Churches man has built? or would He, the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Alpha and Omega, Beginning and the End, our father, Savior, wear simple robes and preach His ministry in the streets to the common man?

I kinda think we should if we know the Bible know where He would be at. and how He would be dressed.


wearing suits is fine and dandy, but it doesnt make someone a great singer because he can wear a suit and chooses to and someone else doesnt. God's blessing is what we should seek. not what they wearing.

tenorsister, your post brought a smile to this face of mine. it kinda is like. what? you need prayer? wait till I get into this new suit cause it will mean I look more like someone that should be praying.

if my last post offended anyone, I said it to say this. clothes doesnt make a ministry. the power of the Lord's annointing makes a ministry. and I want someone to prove that statement wrong

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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/25/2008 11:13:45 PM   
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Joey, I think that is so awesome!

I like the groups who dress to the nines and I like the casual dressing groups just as well.

My opinion on group dress goes hand in hand with why I like a lot of Christian music genres...SG, CCM, P&W, etc. (please read on...I'm not going off topic...it's not a SG/CCM argument, especially since I love both equally...it is completely connected to why I don't prefer one style of dress over the other)

This is the thing:

Not every style of music or dress (appearance) will minister to all people.

There are many people that CCM will never be able to minister to...AND, there are just as many people who Southern Gospel music will never be able to minister to. They are both needed equally. That goes for clothes, hair cuts, etc as well.

There are so many people in the world who have different backgrounds, life experiences, tastes, etc. and one type of style in a singing group does not fit all...at all.

God bless the groups who wear matching suits and ties and God bless the groups who dress casually while they sing. I have no preference because I rejoice that groups with both styles are reaching people.

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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/26/2008 7:24:22 AM   
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There are many people that CCM will never be able to minister to...AND, there are just as many people who Southern Gospel music will never be able to minister to. They are both needed equally. That goes for clothes, hair cuts, etc as well.

There are so many people in the world who have different backgrounds, life experiences, tastes, etc. and one type of style in a singing group does not fit all...at all.

God bless the groups who wear matching suits and ties and God bless the groups who dress casually while they sing. I have no preference because I rejoice that groups with both styles are reaching people.


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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/26/2008 8:03:55 AM   
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There are many people that CCM will never be able to minister to...AND, there are just as many people who Southern Gospel music will never be able to minister to. They are both needed equally. That goes for clothes, hair cuts, etc as well.

There are so many people in the world who have different backgrounds, life experiences, tastes, etc. and one type of style in a singing group does not fit all...at all.

God bless the groups who wear matching suits and ties and God bless the groups who dress casually while they sing. I have no preference because I rejoice that groups with both styles are reaching people.





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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/26/2008 1:04:10 PM   
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tenorsister, your post brought a smile to this face of mine. it kinda is like. what? you need prayer? wait till I get into this new suit cause it will mean I look more like someone that should be praying


This made me not only smile but visualize this situation and that made me laugh.....imagine the look on the fans face??

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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/26/2008 10:50:37 PM   
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would be a sight to see wouldnt it tenorsister. but on a side note. yes have bought some suits and will be ordering me some.

BUT, will be wearing like a turtleneck in winter and in summer just a plain simple dark tshirt as the shirt. I dont do chokers err ties.

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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/27/2008 8:26:41 AM   
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would be a sight to see wouldnt it tenorsister. but on a side note. yes have bought some suits and will be ordering me some.

BUT, will be wearing like a turtleneck in winter and in summer just a plain simple dark tshirt as the shirt. I dont do chokers err ties.



The suits sounds great. BTW don't worry about the tie. The 14th Commandment: Thalt Shalt always wear a choking device around your neck whilst singing, didn't make the final cut. lol

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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/28/2008 12:42:07 AM   
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actually though rogasinger, the suits will be to look good for my g/f when take her to supernice restaraunt. and before all have a hissy or coniption fit on why i would wear a suit for her and not on stage, simple. not moving around and getting all sweaty. sitting at a dinner table I can take the jacket off.

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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/28/2008 8:16:58 AM   
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Some of you younger ones might not understand, but some of us grew up in a time when things were much different than today. If you walked into any restaurant every waitress wore a spotless starched white uniform with stockings. The restaurant was spotless unlike today with waitresses wearing cutoffs and tank tops and having their noses pierced. (or lip). People kept their lawn neatly manicured, their homes were kept up beautifully even if it was an old house and their 10 and 20 year old vehicles looked like they were just driven off the showroom floor. EVERYTHING was done with such pride. The world is a changing place and today everything is so casual and people are spoiled to everything easy and convenient.

I like to see Gospel Groups dressed up. It represents something to me that is above anyway secular society acts or dresses. Now I know that might sound stuffy to you younger ones, and those of my generation and older are a bit outnumbered on the forums, as many don't have internet access and can't grasp ahold of todays' computer technology. Thus your views are going to be better represented. I'd just ask you to understand that some of us have lived in both eras in America and it's not easy to see things done so casually today, having experienced a time when it was so very different. Just don't push us older ones out yet until we're gone. It's got to be tough for groups who are trying to appeal to both their older and younger audiences. To appeal to both, they've got a tight rope to walk. I suppose as long as they don't have body piercings, are clean and dressed well, whichever style they choose, is the most important thing. I suspect the rest of you will understand a bit more in twenty years, when you see what the next generation does to Southern Gospel Music.
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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/28/2008 10:09:09 AM   
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Some of you younger ones might not understand, but some of us grew up in a time when things were much different than today. If you walked into any restaurant every waitress wore a spotless starched white uniform with stockings. The restaurant was spotless unlike today with waitresses wearing cutoffs and tank tops and having their noses pierced. (or lip). People kept their lawn neatly manicured, their homes were kept up beautifully even if it was an old house and their 10 and 20 year old vehicles looked like they were just driven off the showroom floor. EVERYTHING was done with such pride. The world is a changing place and today everything is so casual and people are spoiled to everything easy and convenient.

I like to see Gospel Groups dressed up. It represents something to me that is above anyway secular society acts or dresses. Now I know that might sound stuffy to you younger ones, and those of my generation and older are a bit outnumbered on the forums, as many don't have internet access and can't grasp ahold of todays' computer technology. Thus your views are going to be better represented. I'd just ask you to understand that some of us have lived in both eras in America and it's not easy to see things done so casually today, having experienced a time when it was so very different. Just don't push us older ones out yet until we're gone. It's got to be tough for groups who are trying to appeal to both their older and younger audiences. To appeal to both, they've got a tight rope to walk. I suppose as long as they don't have body piercings, are clean and dressed well, whichever style they choose, is the most important thing. I suspect the rest of you will understand a bit more in twenty years, when you see what the next generation does to Southern Gospel Music.



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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/28/2008 7:34:55 PM   
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Some of you younger ones might not understand, but some of us grew up in a time when things were much different than today. If you walked into any restaurant every waitress wore a spotless starched white uniform with stockings. The restaurant was spotless unlike today with waitresses wearing cutoffs and tank tops and having their noses pierced. (or lip). People kept their lawn neatly manicured, their homes were kept up beautifully even if it was an old house and their 10 and 20 year old vehicles looked like they were just driven off the showroom floor. EVERYTHING was done with such pride. The world is a changing place and today everything is so casual and people are spoiled to everything easy and convenient.

I like to see Gospel Groups dressed up. It represents something to me that is above anyway secular society acts or dresses. Now I know that might sound stuffy to you younger ones, and those of my generation and older are a bit outnumbered on the forums, as many don't have internet access and can't grasp ahold of todays' computer technology. Thus your views are going to be better represented. I'd just ask you to understand that some of us have lived in both eras in America and it's not easy to see things done so casually today, having experienced a time when it was so very different. Just don't push us older ones out yet until we're gone. It's got to be tough for groups who are trying to appeal to both their older and younger audiences. To appeal to both, they've got a tight rope to walk. I suppose as long as they don't have body piercings, are clean and dressed well, whichever style they choose, is the most important thing. I suspect the rest of you will understand a bit more in twenty years, when you see what the next generation does to Southern Gospel Music.


actually, I am not one of the "younger" ones as you might have meant. I am 36 and was raised in a Church where sunday was suit day. I just have never felt comfortable in a suit and when a tie hinders my breathing I can't wear one when I sing cause I kinda need to breathe to sing. they somewhat go hand in hand. I love the groups that do wear the suits and ties and respect them and look up to them. in fact, I doubt I will ever hear a group I love more than the Blackwood Brothers of the 50's, 60's and early 70's. but to me, it isnt about how well dressed a group is. I wont listen to a group sing SG or CCM where the ladies are dressed like ladies of the night as they say modestly, and the guys are dressed about the same way.

but on the same note. i can tell you of many young people in teens/college age that prefer the CCM music even the light contemprary which much of it sounds same, and yes I said same, as the SG that even the quartets are putting out simply because they prefer to listen to artists that dress in casual attire. and i am a dead set fan of CCM as i am of SG. i am of the belief if people are hitting the altars at end of a concert, God is blessing the group's ministry.

but a group that decides to not wear suits, if God is behind their ministry, I would rather hear them any day of the week than the finest dressers around and God not be called them to minister in music.


my main discussion point is simply as i stated a few posts back, "I said it to say this. clothes doesnt make a ministry. the power of the Lord's annointing makes a ministry. and I want someone to prove that statement wrong " when someone can Biblically show me that God prefers a group in suits over someone in casual clothes, i will find a way to sing and wear a suit and tie. but before the sunday best words are mentioned, please read about how John the Baptist was dressed when Jesus came to him to be baptised. my Bible's ((( and I said plural because I have many translations I use in study to cross-reference))) ALL tell me he dressed as a wild man. he was not in fine robes.

Joey
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I still don't call myself a "Christian"

my siggy says how i feel modern day Churches should be.

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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/29/2008 8:54:28 AM   
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Some of you younger ones might not understand, but some of us grew up in a time when things were much different than today. If you walked into any restaurant every waitress wore a spotless starched white uniform with stockings. The restaurant was spotless unlike today with waitresses wearing cutoffs and tank tops and having their noses pierced. (or lip). People kept their lawn neatly manicured, their homes were kept up beautifully even if it was an old house and their 10 and 20 year old vehicles looked like they were just driven off the showroom floor. EVERYTHING was done with such pride. The world is a changing place and today everything is so casual and people are spoiled to everything easy and convenient.

I like to see Gospel Groups dressed up. It represents something to me that is above anyway secular society acts or dresses. Now I know that might sound stuffy to you younger ones, and those of my generation and older are a bit outnumbered on the forums, as many don't have internet access and can't grasp ahold of todays' computer technology. Thus your views are going to be better represented. I'd just ask you to understand that some of us have lived in both eras in America and it's not easy to see things done so casually today, having experienced a time when it was so very different. Just don't push us older ones out yet until we're gone. It's got to be tough for groups who are trying to appeal to both their older and younger audiences. To appeal to both, they've got a tight rope to walk. I suppose as long as they don't have body piercings, are clean and dressed well, whichever style they choose, is the most important thing. I suspect the rest of you will understand a bit more in twenty years, when you see what the next generation does to Southern Gospel Music.


actually, I am not one of the "younger" ones as you might have meant. I am 36 and was raised in a Church where sunday was suit day. I just have never felt comfortable in a suit and when a tie hinders my breathing I can't wear one when I sing cause I kinda need to breathe to sing. they somewhat go hand in hand. I love the groups that do wear the suits and ties and respect them and look up to them. in fact, I doubt I will ever hear a group I love more than the Blackwood Brothers of the 50's, 60's and early 70's. but to me, it isnt about how well dressed a group is. I wont listen to a group sing SG or CCM where the ladies are dressed like ladies of the night as they say modestly, and the guys are dressed about the same way.

but on the same note. i can tell you of many young people in teens/college age that prefer the CCM music even the light contemprary which much of it sounds same, and yes I said same, as the SG that even the quartets are putting out simply because they prefer to listen to artists that dress in casual attire. and i am a dead set fan of CCM as i am of SG. i am of the belief if people are hitting the altars at end of a concert, God is blessing the group's ministry.

but a group that decides to not wear suits, if God is behind their ministry, I would rather hear them any day of the week than the finest dressers around and God not be called them to minister in music.


my main discussion point is simply as i stated a few posts back, "I said it to say this. clothes doesnt make a ministry. the power of the Lord's annointing makes a ministry. and I want someone to prove that statement wrong " when someone can Biblically show me that God prefers a group in suits over someone in casual clothes, i will find a way to sing and wear a suit and tie. but before the sunday best words are mentioned, please read about how John the Baptist was dressed when Jesus came to him to be baptised. my Bible's ((( and I said plural because I have many translations I use in study to cross-reference))) ALL tell me he dressed as a wild man. he was not in fine robes.

Joey
a simple Charismatic Penecostal fired up believer and friend of God.

I still don't call myself a "Christian"

my siggy says how i feel modern day Churches should be.



First, let me say your signature is dead on and represents exactly how I feel as well. NOW, I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything with scripture, merely explaining why older folks are uncomfortable with very casual appearance. As for a necktie, I hate them too, but I wear one when I feel it is appropriate. If it's not for you, lose the tie. Many old time pentecostals didn't believe in neckties. It was "flashy" and looked vain in their eyes. I have no problem with that. A suit looks great with a sweater if it's cold, or just a dress shirt if nothing else. But back to the waitresses I mentioned earlier. My mother was a waitress and she hated that starched white uniform. It was the pits to keep clean, but it represented something. A high standard in food service. CLEANLINESS. LOL. It was not a bad thing when that standard relaxed and waitresses started wearing more "normal people" clothing. At least not right away was it a problem. It did however create a snowball effect that opened the door for more relaxation of standards and has now evolved (i HATE that word) to what we have today in food service where there is no standard whatsoever. It's sickening when I go into a restaurant now and the waitress is dressed like she is at the beach or something, has her lip, nose and eyelids pierced, stains on her clothing, and makes you wonder a bit when she's washed her hands.

When we relax our standards, we open the door for them to be dissolved altogether in time. By the way, 36 is pretty young my friend. LOL. I'm not saying clothes make the person, or the ministry. I'm saying that Southern Gospel music is and always has been of a higher standard than other types of music, and it would be a shame to lose that beacon of light and let it fall to a run of the mill kind of thing. There are ways to be "dressy" without being casual. As you stated, the younger crowd and some others prefer casual and that's fine, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere to preserve the message and the holiness of Southern Gospel. For example........ I like this line you wrote: "I wont listen to a group sing SG or CCM where the ladies are dressed like ladies of the night as they say modestly, and the guys are dressed about the same way." I COMPLETELY AGREE!!! And those are out there today in Southern Gospel. Some have already compromised the standards that made this music so wonderful. And some of them don't at all look casual.

John the Baptist was a unique character. He went against the grain of about everything the Bible speaks of in it's descriptions of modest appearal, appearance or whatever. I have no idea what that was all about, and I can't say that someone singing gospel today couldn't be effective in reaching souls, if they presented themselves as he did. But that's certainly not what I want to see Southern Gospel become. Some might be reached that way, but I think most people would be turned away by it, and want no part of it. To each their own, but I advocate drawing a line in the sand, or better yet in stone LOL and do our best to preserve the standards we have. I hate it when people look like the world, act like the world and sound like the world to try to reach the world. What are they reaching them with? Those in the world are already like that, why would they feel they needed Christ, if there's no difference from what they already are? In my mind, it's says that those folks are trying to tell the world, "Hey we wanna be just like you" instead of "Let us show YOU a better way through Christ". Actually, I might be getting off on another subject there, so I'll shut up.

There are variations of "dressed up" without compromising, and there are ways to dress to the nines and compromise in doing so. But where does it end? There has to be a standard set somewhere to keep things well within range.
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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/29/2008 9:23:08 AM   
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I have thought a lot about this subject. And, that in itself can be dangerous.

First let me say it is my personal preference to see SG groups in suits and ties. I actually prefer matching suits and ties. The last group I had I insisted on Matching suits and ties, polished shoes, neat combed hair, and really preferred clean shaven but was not strict about that. If someone had facial hair I let it go as long as it was trimmed and neat looking. I would not allow the three day stubble look because to me that just looks like someone to lazy to shave.

I don't know exactly when the clothing standard changed but, I think it was in the late '70's early '80's. If you look at musical artist, regardless of the genre, from the '50's, 60's early 70's they wore suits and ties. Even the Beatles when they came to the U.S. wore matching suits and ties in 1963. I cringe when I watch the CMA awards shows and see the artist with torn jeans and worse. For me a suit and tie is noting but work clothes. If I can wear them five days a week for State Government I can certainly wear them for God. It's all about first impressions. I learned a long time ago if you appear(dress) professionally the majority of the time people on the first impression will assume you are professional.

O.K. I confess I read the book Dress for Success. But a lot of that book holds true. In my position, if I have a job opening and two people show up for interviews, one in jeans and t-shirt the other in a suit, both being equally qualified otherwise, I am going to hire the on in the suit. It just shows pride in themselves and their profession.

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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/29/2008 10:07:35 AM   
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I sat in with more than one group during the "Miami Vice" days. Remember those? I had my share of LOUD jackets, LOUD shirts, LOUD pants and the square knit ties. The stage often looked like a bowl of Skittles ther were so many colors.

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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/29/2008 11:32:49 AM   
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The stage often looked like a bowl of Skittles ther were so many colors.


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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/29/2008 3:31:38 PM   
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First, let me say your signature is dead on and represents exactly how I feel as well. NOW, I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything with scripture, merely explaining why older folks are uncomfortable with very casual appearance. As for a necktie, I hate them too, but I wear one when I feel it is appropriate. If it's not for you, lose the tie. Many old time pentecostals didn't believe in neckties. It was "flashy" and looked vain in their eyes. I have no problem with that. A suit looks great with a sweater if it's cold, or just a dress shirt if nothing else. But back to the waitresses I mentioned earlier. My mother was a waitress and she hated that starched white uniform. It was the pits to keep clean, but it represented something. A high standard in food service. CLEANLINESS. LOL. It was not a bad thing when that standard relaxed and waitresses started wearing more "normal people" clothing. At least not right away was it a problem. It did however create a snowball effect that opened the door for more relaxation of standards and has now evolved (i HATE that word) to what we have today in food service where there is no standard whatsoever. It's sickening when I go into a restaurant now and the waitress is dressed like she is at the beach or something, has her lip, nose and eyelids pierced, stains on her clothing, and makes you wonder a bit when she's washed her hands.

When we relax our standards, we open the door for them to be dissolved altogether in time. By the way, 36 is pretty young my friend. LOL. I'm not saying clothes make the person, or the ministry. I'm saying that Southern Gospel music is and always has been of a higher standard than other types of music, and it would be a shame to lose that beacon of light and let it fall to a run of the mill kind of thing. There are ways to be "dressy" without being casual. As you stated, the younger crowd and some others prefer casual and that's fine, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere to preserve the message and the holiness of Southern Gospel. For example........ I like this line you wrote: "I wont listen to a group sing SG or CCM where the ladies are dressed like ladies of the night as they say modestly, and the guys are dressed about the same way." I COMPLETELY AGREE!!! And those are out there today in Southern Gospel. Some have already compromised the standards that made this music so wonderful. And some of them don't at all look casual.

John the Baptist was a unique character. He went against the grain of about everything the Bible speaks of in it's descriptions of modest appearal, appearance or whatever. I have no idea what that was all about, and I can't say that someone singing gospel today couldn't be effective in reaching souls, if they presented themselves as he did. But that's certainly not what I want to see Southern Gospel become. Some might be reached that way, but I think most people would be turned away by it, and want no part of it. To each their own, but I advocate drawing a line in the sand, or better yet in stone LOL and do our best to preserve the standards we have. I hate it when people look like the world, act like the world and sound like the world to try to reach the world. What are they reaching them with? Those in the world are already like that, why would they feel they needed Christ, if there's no difference from what they already are? In my mind, it's says that those folks are trying to tell the world, "Hey we wanna be just like you" instead of "Let us show YOU a better way through Christ". Actually, I might be getting off on another subject there, so I'll shut up.

There are variations of "dressed up" without compromising, and there are ways to dress to the nines and compromise in doing so. But where does it end? There has to be a standard set somewhere to keep things well within range.


took part out to keep the post somewhat short . now this is what I love. a discussion without argueing and fussing just simple discussion. like on a Church pew or such.

I understand your words in all your post completely. and I will wear a blazer and slacks in some Churches to appease them. but as have stated before. I don't do ties because I always have trouble breathing in them. if a Church doesnt or refuses to accept that or the fact that i don't look right in them, then thats their right. if they refuse to have a group sing because of that fact alone, then i feel sorry for them because if the group is sound Biblically in their music and sing with an annointing of god, then they are holding the congregation from a blessing of the Lord. that's between them and the Father.

I agree with the high standards in a eating place. I understand a few piercings((( hey if could have saw way I flipped when my daughter got her belly button pierced. some on boards remember that night. I was beyond livid. not because of doing it but i had told her to wait. and no i dont have custody))). I feel that if they are respectful and carry themselves nice, then ok. I dont go for the stains though. I am totally agreeing there. standards are to be upheld. but I see my standards in SG as the message being sung about. not in the style of clothes. but yes I will not see people dressed as tramps in concert. that is too much.

I am out to be against the grain and somewhat of a "renegade" not rebelling against God but not conforming to what everyone else does merely to "fit in". God calls people to spread His word through preaching, singing, witnessing, and other forms of ministry. I don't see where it says i have to dress a certain way, comb my hair in a combover((( am losing my hair so i prefer to shave my head))), and the such. now I don't belive in earrings on a guy so you won't see me in them. I simply want a ministry that is SG based but not the same as every other group out there. honestly, someone on the board sent a phrase to me in a pm and it stuck. if people want to see the Kingsmen, they will go see the Kingsmen and not you. I don't want to be the same as every other group out there. because I go my own way. I will be starting out with a different sound musically, vocally, and a different dress so am from the start showing my style of SG, and not being accused of selling out. I am sold out and have been since I saw that video and some know my testimony. I am sold out to Christ not to the others.

I feel if someone has their ministry based on God, annointed by Him, I will go listen to them. if they modestly dressed at least. I doubt God is behind immodest dress. but thats my own personal opinion.

I used John The Baptist as an example. not saying how we should dress. John The Baptist dressed different than the vipers of the temples. hey, Bible words not mine. yet Jesus came to him to be baptised((( on a side note. as a kid i always thought why he was called John the Baptist is because he baptised Jesus )))and not the well dressed and high (((I hate to say prim and proper but is all that comes to mind))) of the Temples. that is not why i chose to be the way i am. in fact, i spent many many hours in fasting and on my face before God and feel God is leading me to be the way i am. i am different from the world yet part of it. i am different from the norm in SG yet part of it. I realize if I go the way God leads me in ministry the way He has shown me to go, I won't fit in with the normal scene. I won't be praised by the masses and given all the awards and praises on earth. but hey, can have all that here. I will take my praises in Heaven.

why I keep using my group and me, I feel this way and that is how God has led me to be.

my signature says it all. I am a barbarian in a modern world that is too steadfast in the ways of the past. I am not scared to venture out into the unknown and do God's bidding not that of the normal set ways.

Sam. I understand your thoughts. I also know one of your favorite groups and one of mine does not conform to the norm of SG standards and that is the Imperials. they are on the edge of SG in their ministry and they have a powerful one. you are one of my most valued friendships and I respect your opinion, ideas, thoughts highly. for you have trod where God has opened me up to go. into a music ministry.

I understand about the appearance. but as you said that is a job. I am not approaching my ministry as a job that pays money. I am on a "job" to spread the ministry of God through song, music, and praise.

I am the sort that wonders how will a Church grow if they stay behind closed doors and are afraid to venture out into the world to witness. the world won't come to you. you have to take God's Word to them.

Gospel Producer, Miami Vice is probly the saddest fashion sense this or any other music genre attempted to take on. can you imagine getting on a bus and all the guys take their leather shoes off and sweaty feet hits the air? talk about a one night only event?

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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/29/2008 6:37:13 PM   
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I don't know TQ, I thought I looked rather good in my purple jacket with my teal colored pants, my square knit tie and those pointed toe shoes with the VERY slick bottoms. All I was missing was the three day growth of stubble to look just like Don Johnson. Oh yeah, the beard AND losing 200 lbs. So I guess the truth be known I looked like an upside down very plump grape still on the vine.

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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/29/2008 9:44:06 PM   
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I thought I looked rather good in my purple jacket with my teal colored pants,


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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/29/2008 9:48:04 PM   
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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/29/2008 9:48:34 PM   
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I thought I looked rather good in my purple jacket with my teal colored pants,
I'm getting visions of Miami Vice and Crockett and Tubbs and a Ferrari................................

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RE: Southern Gospel Group dress - 6/30/2008 8:15:22 AM   
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I thought I looked rather good in my purple jacket with