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ORIGINAL: ChristopherJ

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ORIGINAL: Soxfan

Dutch Sheets is a false aspotle and belongs to the same Latter Rain/Kingdom Now movement as Todd Bentley. Unless he has repented and renounced this theology, this statement has NO credibility!

Once Bentley fades away, Sheets, Wagner, Joyner and the rest of the ICA will find another phony revival to create.

As a Bible believing, charismatic believer, one who believes that the gifts of the Holy Spirit - healing, prophecy, miracles, etc. - are for the church today, I disagree strongly with your statement. I read the link to Dutch Sheets website, and was thoroughly impressed and blessed by his courage. I know that their will undoubtedly be those in the charismatic community who will frown upon Dutch Sheets for his bold and honest stand concerning Todd Bentley and the Lakeland situation, but I applaud it.

Having said that, I would also strongly encourage everyone on this site to read through Dutch Sheets' August 21st Statement and Appeal Regarding Lakeland, as I believe it shows a lot of wisdom, humility and maturity. I also want to echo the Scripture he closed with, Galatians 6:1-5...

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Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. Bear one another's burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. But each one must examine his own work, and then he will have reason for boasting in regard to himself alone, and not in regard to another. For each one will bear his own load.

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ORIGINAL: peacebringer
Well we are going to be called the spirit of Lawlessness soon...

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No where in his statement did he repent from, or renounce his deep involvement in this movement. The only thing he repented of was his association with and promotion of Todd Bentley.

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As far as the heresy hunters and revival police—not those who raised legitimate questions about Lakeland, but the attack dogs who make their
living and build their ministries criticizing everyone else—I lost respect for them long ago and couldn’t care less what they think.

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ORIGINAL: rlj

The last time I read something from DitC they were ranting about a worship song being used at Lakeland claiming one of the verses was some purely Latter Rain thing. (Even though the Latter Rain Movement ended decades ago... )

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ORIGINAL: rlj

The last time I read something from DitC they were ranting about a worship song being used at Lakeland claiming one of the verses was some purely Latter Rain thing. (Even though the Latter Rain Movement ended decades ago... )

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The Latter Rain/Dominionist movement went underground in the 40's after the AoG wrote a position paper renouncing it as HERESY. Last time I checked the AOG was quite charismatic.

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The original movement may have ended, but Later Rain theology has had a resurgence in recent years with the prophetic/apostolic crowd. Bentley frequently referenced William Branham, said he had been visited by the same angel and had Branham's annointing.

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ORIGINAL: OLEEguacamole

wrong and unbiblical

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well, at least it is a grown woman, and not a child this time.

I am in no way a Todd Bentley fan,but this is seriously pathetic from a professed Christian no less..


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You also mean.. "at least it is a person of the opposite sex this time...."

You and I are in agreement in a lot of things doctrinally...but that is uncalled for.

Why is it uncalled for and pathetic? Todd Bentley is a convicted child molester in Canada. While it is still wrong, a consensual extramarital affair IS A LOT BETTER than molesting another innocent child scarring them for life.

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He is a CONVICTED CHILD RAPIST. The fact that it does not seem to concern anyone is pathetic.

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ORIGINAL: Sammy_S


I understand that,but that jab was not the right way to go about it.It was clearly a joke made by bluestone but a very inappropriate one at that.Trust me,I hate false preaching and I certainly do not like Todd Bentley as a preacher but as much as i can joke about certain things this is too far and it wories me you dont see the fault in that comment.

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Example does Bob Jones and Peter Wagner come out and say "we're Latter Rain, Holy Ghost filled, etc" or do those who observe them say "well he believes in X, Y and Z which is consistent with LR thinking so he is LR?"

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ORIGINAL: Soxfan

I just wanted to pause to thank the Lord for all of the wonderful people of God that still care about biblical truth and defending God's Holy Word from the enemy's minions.

It was so awesome to see so many here able to see through Todd Bentley and the rest of his Latter Rain cohorts. It is a true blessing that his supporters here were few and far between. It's especially encouraging to know that there are still biblically literate, discerning followers of Christ out there that spot counterfeits immediately, and are also not afraid to expose them.

It definiately helps that we now have the technology to better expose these wolves to the rest of the world.

While we may not know it, I truly believe that as a result of this thread, there were people that were drawn to Lakeland, that had their spiritual eyes opened.

I pray that Todd Bentley, and his partners in the heretical Latter Rain/Dominionist/Kingdom Now cults(Wagner, Ahn, Joyner, Pierce, Jones, King, Sheets, Bickle, Cain, etc) are awakened by this and come to COMPLETE repentance of their unbiblical theology. What a great witness it would be if they would renounce this doctrine and proclaim the TRUE Word of God!

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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

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As for Bentley he was 14 and not involved in ministry at the time. This never impacted my impression of him since his theology and doctrine was so very far off I had him on ignore anyway.

Do we call it ignoring, or "ignorance?" Not throwing stones here at anyone.
This is why people like Bentley do and get away with what they do.

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It was so awesome to see so many here able to see through Todd Bentley and the rest of his Latter Rain cohorts.

To recognize the heresies, one has to know the real truth.
Like the money, if we truly know the real money, the counterfeit is easy to spot.

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It definiately helps that we now have the technology to better expose these wolves to the rest of the world.

Praise God for that. The devil runs rampant with this technology, but it's also being used by
the followers of Christ now.

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While we may not know it, I truly believe that as a result of this thread, there were people that were drawn to Lakeland, that had their spiritual eyes opened.

While Bentley was an "obvious" fraud for me, it took him to open my eyes to all those
around him and before him. Now the stynch of "wolf" will be obvious from now on.
And I praise God for those who have really grown because of this.
I pray for those who are wounded by all this. And those who are still
blatantly blind to it.

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Do we call it ignoring, or "ignorance?" Not throwing stones here at anyone.
This is why people like Bentley do and get away with what they do.

Not sure what you mean by that. After a couple three days on the thread and doing my own research there was more than enough to convince me that Bentley was a fraud. Finding out he was having an affair doesn't influence an opinion I already had that he was a fraud. Finding out about something that happened 15 or so years ago doesn't influence my opinion that he is a fraud. 6 months from now when the whatever gang announces that Bentley has repented, changed his ways, married his mistress and is now back in ministry it won't influence my opinion that he is a fraud. Had I heard about the incident first thing it would have put me on my guard and done my own research which would have led me to the conclusion that based on his own sayings and teaching that he is a fraud.

At this point though leaving his wife for his mistress as a minister of the gospel is totally repugnant and disgusting. Remember that the world doesn't see the church as charismatic or not, catholic or protestant but as one entity. This man is a stain on the body of Christ as a whole not just on charismatics.

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ORIGINAL: peacebringer

and that is what some folks miss it seems.
When being asked for forgiveness are we to give it at only sings of true repentence? Serious question folks. We each need to examine our level of willingness to forgive others. Also at what point is it okay not to forgive, if there is any?

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It would help if Bentley would man up and say "I am so sorry for all I have done. Don't listen to Emma, she don't know what she's talking about "

I for one would love to see this as well, plus I do feel it would be biblical for Todd to do this for true repentance.

But here we have a member of that crowd, Dutch Sheets, confess that he repents of those things.

While we shouldn't be gullible, at the same time I feel we should pray concerning what he said, that his repentance is genuine, plus rejoice that there is someone who has seemingly taken a step toward repentance.

I guess I can be a little sympathetic here as I was once part of this crowd. When I saw the light of my sin, there was no one really to support me and for a while I seemed to be on an Island. The WOF crowd I hung out with no longer trusted me, and neither did the others. While I new that I was forgiven by the Lord, I struggled with forgiveness from other believers and especially myself. I was angered and hurt for a long period of time because I couldn't believe how blinded I was for so long.

There seemed to be some unwritten rule of penance that I had to perform before I could be trusted, the only problem was, it was subjective and determined by each person whether they would forgive me or not.

I don't think we should blindly trust Dutch Sheets after his comment, that is not what I'm saying. I'm just hoping that there will be some people who can be there to talk to him and help him as well as just the common person hurt from the lies, sin, and garbage of Lakeland.

How many people are now turned off completely because of all the hype, talk of angels, sin, and manipulation, plus the fact that there was no clear gospel witness.

I told you so's shouldn't be a part of the conversation I feel. We should reach out to those hurting and restore as they turn from that darkness to light of truth.

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ORIGINAL: bluestone

Even politicians apologize when they have affairs and get caught.

I think it behooves Bentley to come out and make a statement.

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As far as the heresy hunters and revival police—not those who raised legitimate questions about Lakeland, but the attack dogs who make their
living and build their ministries criticizing everyone else—I lost respect for them long ago and couldn’t care less what they think.

I am so sick and tired of this cop out regarding supposed "heresy hunters." Most people I'm familiar with who have spoken up about false teachings don't appear to be salivating with joy about bringing these things to light.

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ORIGINAL: OLEEguacamole

at what point do we consider theology heretical in non salvic terms? it seems to be a broad thing these days. in general how do the bulk of latter rain, apostolic or whoever ETC see Jesus and salvation? is this not the litmus test for heaven? can we not get to heaven with wacky theology if our faith is placed in Jesus Christ?

this trend to say "they teach a different Jesus" is hooey. that is not usually the case.

Leading people away from Jesus or teaching false things intentionally, certainly a sin, but for people to start claiming that all of the people that hold these doctrines are reinventing Jesus and salvation and not likely even genuine christians, is wrong and unbiblical IMO.

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Many people I know were hurt so badly, they left church altogether. Some of them are still picking up the pieces, from when our church fell apart back in 1994-95 ..... The damage from these false teachers is long-lasting, and I think some people don't realize just how serious the matter really is.

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Consequently, in light of the fallacious book endorsing polygamy and other sexual sins, the deviant claims and teachings emanating from a purported healing revival right here in Florida, and even some malicious and unwise statements about how to learn the so-called intricacies of Hebrew by a false teacher who denigrates those who seek to understand it as an Ancient Near Eastern language and instead treats it as something mystical—I was just overwhelmed by the perversions from truth. We have strayed too far from the ways of God! Then this struck me like a lightning bolt: I realized that much of the deviant teaching resulting in ungodly behavior in the greater Judeo-Christian world, is primarily a result of false teachers, false prophets, and false apostles who—knowingly or not—are all essentially prophets for hire. Let me explain.

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Instead of seeking fortune or fame, a teacher must truly understand and embrace what is probably the most important trait to have in order to minister to the Body of Messiah. This knowledge is undoubtedly a healthy and genuine fear of the Lord. James the Just puts it this way: “Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment” (James 3:1). The Torah did not tell us that Balaam had a great fear of the Lord, even though he could not directly curse the people of Israel.

If you at all analyze much of the teaching that is coming forth from the current crop of prophets for hire, you might note that there does not appear to be any significant fear of the Lord. Repentance of sin and living a life of holiness are not the name of the game. Whether it is concocting erroneous calendars that time and again make claims about some 6,000 year doctrine that do not materialize, in order to use the spirit of fear to prompt undiscerning people to support their efforts, or disparaging entire books of the Apostolic Scriptures as being uninspired, or people making claims about their “Israelite” heritage that cannot be proven, or stating t