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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/13/2008 11:20:35 PM
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Mr Patrick, reread my post.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/14/2008 1:25:56 AM
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i don't care what quartetguru's real name is...i was trying to make sure that everyone knows i'm not hiding behind a screen name when i post a negative or controversial comment
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/14/2008 12:19:24 PM
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I for one will defend Roy Pauley. He has been a great friend to our quartet and to many up and coming quartets. The Dove Brothers are but one of many who have greatly benefitted from Roy's column in SN. Roy does not want the industry to return to the 50's and 60's, and has never, not even once, suggested such a thing. Nor does he attempt to tear down the industry. What he does want to see is quality music from the singers, the arrangements and the presentations, and to learn from those who have paved the way. Southern Gospel singers of today, for the most part, know little of music theory, are not inspired to learn, don't see the need in learning, and do not seem motivated to improve their craft whatsoever. Of course, not all are this way, but one only needs to listen to SG radio to be assured that this is a condition that is eating away at the soul of our industry. Of course there were scoundrals and people of less than Christian character back in those "golden days", but they were disciplined musicians and singers, far more than the average today. I can assure you, there are those still are out there today, that are womanizer's, and doing anything for a buck, except work for it. I know of a group that disbanded recently because one man had far less than Christian character would demand. There are more family style groups these days and that has tempered the average a bit, but even within those ranks there are those who make my skin crawl. Make no mistake, Roy Pauley is far more dedicated to the cause of gospel music than are many so-called fans of today. Those who don't like his opinions, and thus don't like him, either don't understand his motives, or have their toes stepped on by his comments. If I don't know music, don't try to learn, and generally can be found ill-equipped to present quality music to my audience, then I should be brought to task. God deserves our best, not something far less. If I don't study to show myself approved, then I am not giving my best. If I won't bother to learn the rudiments of music and if my group does not bother to learn the more difficult arrangements, than Mr. Pauley should take all the shots in the world at me, for I am not doing my best for Christ, let alone the cause of Southern Gospel Music and its future well being. To form judgements of a man you have never met really bothers me. I know his comments make some squirm a bit, but then again my pastor sometimes makes me squirm a bit too, within his sermons. If Roy was not causing such debate he would not be doing his job. If you wish to put your head in the sand and gleefully continue to do the same old same old, then by all means, do so. But don't put the guy down for opinions that are contrary to your own, or in whose opinions make you squirm. I wish every artist in gospel music was as devoted to the genre as is Roy. I wish all SG artist wold work as hard at learning music as they do in booking dates. I wish all would present music to the world that musically speaking would compete with the best secular has to offer. We already have a message music far more compelling than anything from the world. If our artists were as musically capable, I ask you, who in worldly music could compete? That is Roy's message, goals and hopes for the industry. I am sorry that many cannot, or refuse, to see his motives as they truly are. It is far easier to condemn his comments to old foggy rantings when they fly in the face of ones on mode of operation.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/14/2008 12:26:07 PM
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BenHarris all I can add to that is Amen.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/14/2008 1:09:12 PM
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And I to say AMEN to that !!!!.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/14/2008 4:37:35 PM
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I shall add my Amen as well!
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/15/2008 1:11:26 PM
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This thread started off very friendly,please lets keep it it frendly.Those of you who don't like Roy Pauley,what he says must be tramping on your toes or it wouldn't get you so upset.It's just like when we go to church and the Preacher preaches on something that reveals our sin to us,we don't like that.What it is,is the HS telling us He doesn't like something in our lives,but we don't want to change it,so we say "Well that's his opinion".This is how we learn what God wants changed,by listening to others opinions and reading His Word DAILY.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/19/2008 11:25:13 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: yustme This thread started off very friendly,please lets keep it it frendly.Those of you who don't like Roy Pauley,what he says must be tramping on your toes or it wouldn't get you so upset.It's just like when we go to church and the Preacher preaches on something that reveals our sin to us,we don't like that.What it is,is the HS telling us He doesn't like something in our lives,but we don't want to change it,so we say "Well that's his opinion".This is how we learn what God wants changed,by listening to others opinions and reading His Word DAILY. This is a broad presumption. Just because someone doesn't like what Roy says doesn't mean he's stepping on their toes. Quite a leap from disagreeing with a man's opinion to ignoring the moving of the Holy Spirit. I think Roy is dead on sometimes. Other times I think he's way out in left field. Why is that? Because it's a matter of opinion based on subjective thought. And that is just my opinion.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/20/2008 10:20:59 AM
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Man, the Holy Spirit must have really gotten upset when people went from wearing sandles and robes and playing harps and brass horns to wearing three piece suits and singing in four part harmony. I wonder if the men and women who wanted to keep it the old way went as far as to say that defending what they wanted to wear was in opposition to the Holy Spirit? Does this mean that the women should start back dressing with their faces covered too? I'm sure it had to upset the Holy Spirit when women started wearing their hair in the big bee hive hairdo, huh? Sorry for the smart attitude, but I have to say that the comment that got this started was ridiculous....Oh wait..."In My Opinion". lol
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/21/2008 9:56:02 AM
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All i meant by my post was God has spoken to my heart on many occasions through peoples opinion.Even on these threads.Didn't mean to offend anyone.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/21/2008 8:24:27 PM
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It seems to me many are writing in that disagree with Bro. Pauley's opinions. That is OK, you are entitled to your opinion. Opinions are like noses, everyone has one. However, few have actually answered the question. Do you care about his opinion. Obviously many do, even if they disagree, it would seem they care. Now, can we stop bashing Bro. Pauley? We seem to get worked up over little. I believe after reading and re-reading some of his articles, he simply is trying to get people that are involved with singing SGM, to strive to do better. If he made you think, good. He accomplished the goal of an editorial. You may not like it, but his words worked, you thought. There is nothing wrong with knowing history. You cannot know where you are going with a movement until you know where you came from. Otherwise you don't know if you are coming or going, improving, or digressing. He does make sense here. One more point, the article he wrote was almost three issues ago and we are still discussing it. That means he was very successful as a writer. Open discussion is a good thing if it is in the right spirit, and not lashing out just because you disagree. Lets be careful not to attack a well meaning brother simply because some disagree with him. P. S. I do find myself often agreeing with him.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/22/2008 1:37:37 PM
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I agree with your post 100%.As for me,I seldom disagree with him.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/22/2008 9:25:44 PM
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I think there is a much more basic issue here. It seems to me that such a wide variety of music and styles is being grouped under the category of “Southern Gospel” that the term has lost its meaning. Let me preface this by saying that in Southern Gospel I prefer close four-part harmony that most would call “traditional”. I sing with a mixed group that does primarily Chuck Wagon Gang songs and other old style gospel songs. We spend many hours of practice trying to achieve a harmony that makes our four voices sound inseparable. However, in church, I sing primarily Contemporary Christian music. I find that I can worship with either style – that ability depends more on the condition of my heart than on the musical style. However, I typically do not like to mix the two styles. If I go to a concert expecting traditional Southern Gospel and find something else, I am usually disappointed – not because it wasn’t good, but simply because my expectations were not met. I think many Southern Gospel fans attend concerts expecting to hear a particular style of Southern Gospel. For years, I have shared many of the same concerns expressed by Roy Pauley. Going back to my earlier assertion, I believe the breadth of what is called Southern Gospel today is simply too great. Can we really justify grouping the Crabb Family and the Dixie Melody Boys together as “Southern Gospel?” If so, then what music you would exclude from Southern Gospel? Is music Southern Gospel simply because of which radio stations play it? Is it Southern Gospel because, at times, the group really does sing Southern Gospel? Don’t get me wrong – I like both the Crabb Family and the Dixie Melody Boys, but I have a difficult time considering them to be the same genre of music. It is good to see the discussion that has resulted from Roy Pauley’s column. However, I’m afraid we are doomed to endless debate until we can arrive at some better definition of what Southern Gospel really is. Traindriver
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/22/2008 11:23:48 PM
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Traindriver, I personally think that Southern Gospel is more about what the song's message is more than just the style. I will also say that when the Crabb family first came on the scene with their parents, they were correctly labeled as "southern gospel". I think that in the last years that they were together as a family, they found that they were more marketable singing more of a contemporary sound and appearing more "youthful". They still sang the songs that made them famous and still sang some old classics at their concerts, but threw in the new songs that were keeping them popular. I recently saw Gold City in concert. These guys wore suits, but no ties. Now everyone has some sort of beard except for Jonathan Wilburn. They had "hip" looking dress shirts on and their hair was spiked. They went from singing the old classic "Teach me Lord to wait" to thier version on the CCM song "Mercy came Running". The church had a revival and saw a lot of souls saved. Young and Old alike. My point is that we as christians need to just get over ourselves. Gold City has changed dramatically since Tim Riley retired from the road life, but no matter how they dress or look the message will always be southern gospel to me. I'm sure we could go on and on about other groups as well. So, as I said before. Lets all get over ourselves and agree that we serve a God that doesn't care what I look like or what style I decide to praise him with. Southern Gospel is all about the message. CCM in my little experience usually is about telling what God means to that person and singing praise to the Lord. Southern Gospel usually tells a story in the form of song. It tells of hope when it seems there is no hope. It tells of faith when it seems that all of your faith has been lost. It gives instruction as to how to call on Christ's name. It professes that Jesus' word is the Holy word and the ONLY word. It's all in the message, not the suits and ties and the Statesmen / Blackwoods styles only. Neal
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/23/2008 12:02:22 AM
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I read Roy Pauley's opinion every month but I don't necessarily take it too seriously. It's his opinion and I may or may not agree with it, just like I may or may not agree with qtman or Daniel Mount or anyone else. Everybody has an opinion and there is no right or wrong about it. Everyone looks at things from a slightly different perspective. No two people are going to think exactly the same way. As far as the music is concerned, I prefer traditional male quartet southern gospel singing in the vein of the Cathedrals, the Statesmen, the Blackwood Brothers, etc. My teen daughter prefers CCM like Skillet, Barlow Girls, Toby Mack, et al. I don't care for her music and she doesn't care for mine. But, both of us respect the music of the other because each of us gets something out of the type we prefer. CCM moves her spiritually while traditional SG moves me. That is the important thing, that the Spirit works through the music, regardless of the label we stick on it. Going back to the title of this thread, it seems that there are many people who care about Roy Pauley's opinion. If not, this thread would have died after the first post!
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/23/2008 1:25:11 AM
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Somebody must care. . . 90+ posts and over 2900 views in this thread would attest to that.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/23/2008 2:42:38 PM
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I have been reading Roy's column right along,and I've been tempted to write in to him,although i never have.But he is revealing exactly what my beliefs have been since gospel music began to change.In fact,much of what he has said i have posted in other threads but it didn't go over well.I think the biggest problem with us,we all have a lot to say,but none of us wants to listen.We want to get our point across,but we don't want to listen to the other side.And believe me,while I'm pointing my finger,I have three pointing right back at me.However,it's more important to listen to what God wants and I'm afraid there's alot of us,including me,that has become so comfortable with what we think is right that we're not really listening to what God want's.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/23/2008 3:02:42 PM
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Also, lets not confuse Roy Pauley's opinion about the 'good ole days' with spiritual matters. An individual's relationship with God is not based on whether they sing traditional four part male harmony, wear a three piece suit with tie and have their hair slicked back with the finest hair product. I respect Roy Pauley's opinion. I respect the pioneers in Gospel Music who paved the way for all those today. Roy's column is simply a critque/criticism of a music industry, not a column on whether the past era of gospel music is more 'spiritual' than the current.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/23/2008 3:05:44 PM
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I respect Roy Pauley's opinion. I respect the pioneers in Gospel Music who paved the way for all those today. Roy's column is simply a critque/criticism of a music industry, not a column on whether the past era of gospel music is more 'spiritual' than the current. Well said.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 1/23/2008 3:29:12 PM
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Right on. quote:
ORIGINAL: Seaton Also, lets not confuse Roy Pauley's opinion about the 'good ole days' with spiritual matters. An individual's relationship with God is not based on whether they sing traditional four part male harmony, wear a three piece suit with tie and have their hair slicked back with the finest hair product. I respect Roy Pauley's opinion. I respect the pioneers in Gospel Music who paved the way for all those today. Roy's column is simply a critque/criticism of a music industry, not a column on whether the past era of gospel music is more 'spiritual' than the current.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 8/25/2008 10:07:56 PM
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I guess that at 55 I maybe considered an old fogey, but I would like to add my opinion on some issues. (1) The gospel music industry as a whole, tells the groups what to record and how to do it. The groups have little input. Thus the drive for the almighty dollar. (2) In my opinion, what I have read, reflects what is going on in our churches and attitudes in general. We (?) have decided that we will wear what we want to wear to church, and sometimes it looks like we are going shopping at the mall. But, when it comes to dressing for a prom, or going to some gala event, we wear a tux or other formal attire. If we were going to the White House as a guest or the Govonor s Manison, we would be sure to be properly attired. When we go the church, we need that same mentality. Does God read the labels on our clothes? NO. But how we dress shows our degree of respect for Him and church. (3) One of Roys on going comments is about the loudness of music. I have walked out on the Crabb Family for just that reason. I like harmonic playing, but when he cut loose, it was SO loud it hurt! Louder doesn't mean better. Sometimes it is a cover for being inadequate. (4) I have had voice training. I sang with a local part-time group for over 13 years. I continually strived to sing better, not to show off, but because God gave the very best He had, His Son, and I can do no less than my absolute best every time. (5) In my opinion, too many geres are striving to be under SG. Country music is country music. I weary of listening to SG singers singing like country, CCM. At best it is sloopy singing. (6) Just as in the church world. We are striving to be every thing to everybody. It don't work! The Gospel message offends the sinner and makes the devil mad-truth hurts. Now a days, we want our ears tickled. We don't want to know what will keep us out of Heaven. We want to be buddies with the world. I don't know that Roy has the "guts" to tell it like is as much as he has the platform to speak from. I think everything that he has written about can be summed up in one word, Quality. Quality as relates to song writing, singing, presentation, arrangements, etc. Our world has come to accept sloppiness as quality, and folks don't like being told they are being sloppy no matter how nice one tries to say it.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 8/25/2008 10:39:56 PM
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This is a very good, wise and sobering opinion from BenHarris. I, for one, enjoy reading Roy's column. I respect the man and his opinion and his view on SGM quote:
ORIGINAL: BenHarris I for one will defend Roy Pauley. He has been a great friend to our quartet and to many up and coming quartets. The Dove Brothers are but one of many who have greatly benefitted from Roy's column in SN. Roy does not want the industry to return to the 50's and 60's, and has never, not even once, suggested such a thing. Nor does he attempt to tear down the industry. What he does want to see is quality music from the singers, the arrangements and the presentations, and to learn from those who have paved the way. Southern Gospel singers of today, for the most part, know little of music theory, are not inspired to learn, don't see the need in learning, and do not seem motivated to improve their craft whatsoever. Of course, not all are this way, but one only needs to listen to SG radio to be assured that this is a condition that is eating away at the soul of our industry. Of course there were scoundrals and people of less than Christian character back in those "golden days", but they were disciplined musicians and singers, far more than the average today. I can assure you, there are those still are out there today, that are womanizer's, and doing anything for a buck, except work for it. I know of a group that disbanded recently because one man had far less than Christian character would demand. There are more family style groups these days and that has tempered the average a bit, but even within those ranks there are those who make my skin crawl. Make no mistake, Roy Pauley is far more dedicated to the cause of gospel music than are many so-called fans of today. Those who don't like his opinions, and thus don't like him, either don't understand his motives, or have their toes stepped on by his comments. If I don't know music, don't try to learn, and generally can be found ill-equipped to present quality music to my audience, then I should be brought to task. God deserves our best, not something far less. If I don't study to show myself approved, then I am not giving my best. If I won't bother to learn the rudiments of music and if my group does not bother to learn the more difficult arrangements, than Mr. Pauley should take all the shots in the world at me, for I am not doing my best for Christ, let alone the cause of Southern Gospel Music and its future well being. To form judgements of a man you have never met really bothers me. I know his comments make some squirm a bit, but then again my pastor sometimes makes me squirm a bit too, within his sermons. If Roy was not causing such debate he would not be doing his job. If you wish to put your head in the sand and gleefully continue to do the same old same old, then by all means, do so. But don't put the guy down for opinions that are contrary to your own, or in whose opinions make you squirm. I wish every artist in gospel music was as devoted to the genre as is Roy. I wish all SG artist wold work as hard at learning music as they do in booking dates. I wish all would present music to the world that musically speaking would compete with the best secular has to offer. We already have a message music far more compelling than anything from the world. If our artists were as musically capable, I ask you, who in worldly music could compete? That is Roy's message, goals and hopes for the industry. I am sorry that many cannot, or refuse, to see his motives as they truly are. It is far easier to condemn his comments to old foggy rantings when they fly in the face of ones on mode of operation.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 8/25/2008 10:42:41 PM
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I agree...I have walked out of a Crabb Family concert one time for that reason and I endured a Crabb Revival concert with the loud music...it was so loud you couldnt understand the vocals and lyrics....whats the point in a SGM concert if you cant hear and understand the lyrics and vocals? quote:
ORIGINAL: tnctenor (3) One of Roys on going comments is about the loudness of music. I have walked out on the Crabb Family for just that reason. I like harmonic playing, but when he cut loose, it was SO loud it hurt! Louder doesn't mean better. Sometimes it is a cover for being inadequate.
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