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RE: Three Tenors - 1/21/2008 11:07:33 PM
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Again, maybe I'm the only one here, but I found that fascinating. Would you mind sharing your opinion about examples of Southern Gospel (or other well-known Christian) examples of the different types?
Isn't a typical Southern Gospel tenor, if trained at all, closest to a Leggiero tenor?
Where would some of these singers fall, if anywhere?
- Arthur Rice
- Larry Ford (his tone is impressive, whatever it is)
- Bobby Clark
- James Blackwood
- Steve Green
- Ernie Phillips (is he anything, classically speaking?)
- John Rulapaugh
Based on what I've heard from those people, here's my opinion. Again, there certainly would be other opinions based on possibly having heard them more than I.
Arthur Rice - I heard Arthur as a lyric type tenor. He's got a high enough range, but in the classical world, quite honestly he would probably be told he yells a lot up high rather than
singing.
Larry Ford - Larry would be a lyric tenor, I think. Obviously he's had training and sings very well technically. You never hear him yelling at all. Go Mr. Ford.
Bobby Clark - I've only heard him on recordings, so I don't really know. I would suppose a lyric tenor as well.
James Blackwood - Also a lyric tenor.
Steve Green - I hear some leggierro qualities. There's plenty of power, but his voice is certainly lighter and flexible.
Ernie Phillips - Ernie would be tough to classify for me. I'd really have to listen to him sing more live. I've heard him on recordings only. He's got a higher range, like a leggierro tenor, but it would be tough to place him without hearing him live.
John Rulapaugh - I would classify John as a light lyric tenor. He and I sang together some at Stamps-Baxter in 1996 and he told me himself that I had a higher range than he did. He said that, at that time, he sang a lot with reinforced falsetto a lot. I don't know what, if any, training he's gotten since then. John's a great guy and I love his voice.
It's quite common for guys with lighter (leggierro type) voices to push them to get a bigger sound and actually lose some of their range. Classically, a lot of tenors start young with bel canto roles by composers like Rossini, Bellini and Donizetti and as they get older and their voices grow and mature they move into heavier roles such as Puccini and Verdi. A prime example of that is Pavarotti. His claim to fame was singing "The Daughter of the Regiment" by Donizetti which contains the aria 'ah mes amis'. That aria has nine high Cs and is about 7 - 8 minutes long. He nailed the high Cs at the Met in NY and that's where he got his nickname "King of the High Cs." He later moved into roles by Verdi, Puccini and others that demand a bigger sound.
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/21/2008 11:36:35 PM
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Bigboytenor, your thoughts on Bill Baize?
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/22/2008 6:18:06 AM
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That's very interesting--in other words, most of the time I hear a singer that makes me sit back and say either, "Wow, that's impressive," or "Wow, he must have been classically trained," that singer is a lyric tenor.
By the way, are classically trained Irish tenors lyric tenors?
(I apologize to everyone else for derailing this discussion somewhat--though we're still discussing SG tenors--but when I find someone who's willing to answer some of the many questions I wonder about, I don't want to miss that opportunity!)
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/22/2008 7:26:58 AM
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That's very interesting--in other words, most of the time I hear a singer that makes me sit back and say either, "Wow, that's impressive," or "Wow, he must have been classically trained," that singer is a lyric tenor.
By the way, are classically trained Irish tenors lyric tenors?
(I apologize to everyone else for derailing this discussion somewhat--though we're still discussing SG tenors--but when I find someone who's willing to answer some of the many questions I wonder about, I don't want to miss that opportunity!)
Don't blame you a bit! The rest of us will just sit back and benefit from the discussion! 
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/22/2008 6:45:59 PM
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An Irish tenor really deals more with the timbre of the voice than range. Typically an average tenor would fall into the "lyric" category. That's what the majority of tenors would be considered. My voice teacher in my undergraduate degree tried to convince me I was on the verge of being a spinto. I've since learned that I was actually damaging my voice trying to sing literature that was too big for my voice. I was basically using a controlled yell. My teacher in my masters program helped me see the light. I now sing stuff I never could have before because I'm singing within my voice rather than pushing it all of the time.
As far as Bill Baize, I honestly couldn't tell you. I've never heard him live and I haven't heard any recordings of him in so long I just don't know. Bear in mind, I'm certainly not an expert, and it's hard to tell because of different techniques SG tenors sometimes use that are so far from the classical style of singing. A lot of SG tenors would have their technique completely overhauled in a classical voice studio. Not that what they're doing is necessarily damaging or wrong, it's just not the classical style. For instance, you will often hear singers flip into falsetto or even head voice that is very light and there isn't a lot of presence in the sound. In classical voice training it is pounded home that soft never means any indication of weakness in the sound, it simply means soft with a lot of core in the sound and the breath is always controlled and removing vibrato is used as an ornament only. Straight tone singing doesn't typically exist in classical singing. Unless you've been taught in the British tradition, but that's a whole other conversation.
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/22/2008 8:18:50 PM
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An Irish tenor really deals more with the timbre of the voice than range. Typically an average tenor would fall into the "lyric" category. That's what the majority of tenors would be considered. My voice teacher in my undergraduate degree tried to convince me I was on the verge of being a spinto. I've since learned that I was actually damaging my voice trying to sing literature that was too big for my voice. I was basically using a controlled yell. My teacher in my masters program helped me see the light. I now sing stuff I never could have before because I'm singing within my voice rather than pushing it all of the time.
As far as Bill Baize, I honestly couldn't tell you. I've never heard him live and I haven't heard any recordings of him in so long I just don't know. Bear in mind, I'm certainly not an expert, and it's hard to tell because of different techniques SG tenors sometimes use that are so far from the classical style of singing. A lot of SG tenors would have their technique completely overhauled in a classical voice studio. Not that what they're doing is necessarily damaging or wrong, it's just not the classical style. For instance, you will often hear singers flip into falsetto or even head voice that is very light and there isn't a lot of presence in the sound. In classical voice training it is pounded home that soft never means any indication of weakness in the sound, it simply means soft with a lot of core in the sound and the breath is always controlled and removing vibrato is used as an ornament only. Straight tone singing doesn't typically exist in classical singing. Unless you've been taught in the British tradition, but that's a whole other conversation.
Yet another question: Is it important to a classical tenor to be able to sing a sustained straight tone?
Sometimes when I'm trying to do that (low note or high note, it doesn't matter), I find my voice naturally trying to slip into a mild vibrato.
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/22/2008 10:41:50 PM
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Yet another question: Is it important to a classical tenor to be able to sing a sustained straight tone?
Sometimes when I'm trying to do that (low note or high note, it doesn't matter), I find my voice naturally trying to slip into a mild vibrato.
Straight tone is not at all important to a classical tenor. Again, it is used as ornamentation only.
The textbook definition of vibrato is: the natural fluctuation of pitch occurring from a relaxed vocal mechanism.
Basically, you have to hold the larynx still to prevent vibrato. There are some schools of thought in the voice world that encourage this, even in classical music. Holding the larynx still requires more effort and is, therefore, more taxing on the voice.
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/23/2008 9:07:57 AM
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I agree...this is really an interesting topic. Thanks for posting all the info. I've studied a little bit of tenor voice techniques in various genre's and it is interesting to how it differs some from SG tenors
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/23/2008 9:48:00 AM
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well I don't sing tenor so aint commenting.
I do think Billy Hodges of Kingdom Heirs is the best tenor out there today. rest fall under him in order of
David Sutton
Steve Ladd
Brian Free
fill in the blanks. although I personally have Ernie Haase way down on my list and I will not argue with you on it. is stated opinion only and well, my opinion counts with me 
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/23/2008 9:54:41 AM
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Guess I missed this thread.......................................
1. Jodi Hosterman has a wonderful, smooth tenor voice. He is very under-rated.
2. Dallas Rogers has a very nice tenor voice.
3. Jerry Martin is a wonderful tenor.
And I would like to add that IMO Kirk Talley has a wonderful tenor voice and I agreee, he is very under-rated also!
My thing with tenors is sort of like my thing with bass singers. I want to hear a tenor SING not SQUEAL, like several of the above do or have did when they were singing. And I wish to hear bass singing, NOT growling............
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/23/2008 1:53:18 PM
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I know that there are people in this thread that will be very happy to hear that Billy Hodges is expecting to be the daddy to a little girl in June! It's their first child. It's on the Singing News website front page . . .
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/23/2008 9:09:29 PM
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I'm watching a NQC Live Video with the Kingsmen singing. Jeremy P. is tenor for them. He now sings with The Old Paths. I think he sounds so much better with The Old Paths. Always thought he was a good tenor but he's even better now.
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/24/2008 6:19:13 AM
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He's good with both, but for whatever it's worth, he's said even publicly that the NQC videos always catch him at his worst, because he's pretty run down / worn out by the end of NQC week.
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/28/2008 3:16:10 AM
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He's good with both, but for whatever it's worth, he's said even publicly that the NQC videos always catch him at his worst, because he's pretty run down / worn out by the end of NQC week.
It's tough to maintain good vocal health during something like that. Imagine being an operatic tenor who sings in a 3 or 4 hour opera a few nights a week, then receives vocal coaching every other day of the week because you're learning a new opera every few weeks. Rest, hydration and knowing when to say "no" are important.
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/30/2008 12:57:30 AM
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IMO Jerry Martin is the best tenor in the industry today.
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/30/2008 10:47:54 PM
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My list would include:
--Ernie Haase. I've heard him sing "O What a Savior" on CD, DVD, & in person; never heard it like he does it.
--Frank Seamans. He's a definite asset to Legacy 5. I love his style & quality.
--The tenor I sang with in college. Jeff is not only a terrific tenor, it was through him that I first became interested in Southern Gospel.
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/30/2008 10:54:19 PM
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I know I'm a little late getting into this debate but here are my picks:
All time:
1. Roy Tremble
2. Bobby Clark
3. Rosie Rozell
Current:
1. Frank Seamans
2. Dan Keeton
3. Tie between Danny Funderburk, Kirk Talley, and Brian Free
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/31/2008 12:05:43 AM
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Found a clip of Ernie Haase about a week after he joined The Cathedrals. He's singing "Oh, What A Savior", and it sounds great!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ur4WdDORkAk
As I recall, this would have been shortly after he had been studying voice. You can hear some pretty good technique on the verses and first chorus. However, at the end of the second verse there's a big shift into falsetto for the top note and some pitch issues on that verse. Also, when he goes up for the top notes on the second chorus there's a big shift to falsetto and the last time he sings "me" at the end, he's really flat.
Please don't crucify me, this is exponentially better than when I heard him a few years earlier singing with Squire and he couldn't hit a pitch if he was swinging a canoe oar.
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RE: Three Tenors - 1/31/2008 8:58:22 AM
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I'm even later getting into this I guess. I have only seen Harold Reed mentioned a couple of times or so and he is by far my favorite tenor right now. His voice is full and he does a great job. His voice doesn't get "thin". I also like Brian Free. Don't know who my third pick is
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RE: Three Tenors - 2/9/2008 12:33:06 PM
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Rosie Rozzell
Billy Hodges Kingdom Heirs
Danny Funderburk
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RE: Three Tenors - 2/15/2008 4:08:32 PM
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I have read every single post in this thread with great interest and exuberant anticipation waiting the moment until I could post.
Let me state upfront that I am a HUGE Cats fan and also a BIG time SG fan.
So here goes my All Time Favorite Tenor Line-up
# 1 Rick Busby
Rick snuck onto the scene in the mid-80's when he filled in for Danny Funderburk one night and then later became the first tenor (not first ever but first as in "high") for the Florida Boys. Whenever I hear "When He Was On The Cross I Was On His Mind" I still stop what I am doing and listen in amazement.
# 2 Ernie Phillips
What else can you say about the "Little Giant". In a group that featured such big names as Jim Hammell, Eldrige Fox, and Ray Reese Ernie outshined them all. I just love his voice and his power.
#3 Danny Funderburk
I absolutely loved Danny as a young tenor before he joined the Singing Americans (I believe the group was called the New Revelairs ... or something like that).
As a member of the Singing Americans he demonstrated that singing tenor did not mean that you had to sing through your nose, nor did it mean that you had to sing "operatic". Danny just belted out a beautiful sound.
His years with the Cathedrals were and are my most listened to ere of Southern Gospel music. To list the songs would require to much space.
And lastly, I often hear people remark that "Danny abused his voice" and he doesn't sound good anymore, but one of my favorite Danny Funderburk songs is "How Beautiful Heaven Must Be" a solo project he did after his years with Perfect heart.
Final thought: I agree with a few other posters ... Ernie Haase doesn't make my top 20, but that is just me. I don't care for the "whispering" type singing that Ernie often does where he tries to almost talk a few words here and there.
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