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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/12/2009 9:44:35 PM
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billbaileybfafan
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In the process of finishing converting my Kingsmen tapes to CD I noticed and interesting trend that I'd like to see back.
It seems the Kingsmen used to do alot of live albums. Does anyone know why that has changed over the last decade. I know they did the 2 (Honoring the Heritage 2 and I'll Not Turn Back) recently that are, as far as I know table projects, but not major releases like they used to do.
Just in the 90's they did, "Live In Dayton","Singin' In the Sun: Live","Live Across America", "Live From the Alabama Theatre", "Georgia Live", "Perfecting the Crown", plus the 4 Kings Gold albums. That's 10 in the 90's but none since "Perfecting the Crown".
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/13/2009 2:20:19 AM
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... and re-recording them with the THEN current vocals. (Jerry Martin, Me, Parker and Ray)
It's great you're willing to provide first-hand info to us. That was a tremendous Kingsman line-up. Do you ever hear from Jerry and Parker? Please let them know folks out here love them and miss them.
Jerry Martin never left gospel music. He joined "The Dove Brothers' in 2003. I saw Parker last at Jim Hamill's memorial service in 2007. Heard he singing a little with his wife and her sister in Georgia.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/13/2009 3:49:50 AM
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Thanks for the update, Bryan. I have a bunch but I guess I need to update my Dove Bros collection.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/13/2009 7:59:48 AM
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In the process of finishing converting my Kingsmen tapes to CD I noticed and interesting trend that I'd like to see back.
It seems the Kingsmen used to do alot of live albums. Does anyone know why that has changed over the last decade. I know they did the 2 (Honoring the Heritage 2 and I'll Not Turn Back) recently that are, as far as I know table projects, but not major releases like they used to do.
Just in the 90's they did, "Live In Dayton","Singin' In the Sun: Live","Live Across America", "Live From the Alabama Theatre", "Georgia Live", "Perfecting the Crown", plus the 4 Kings Gold albums. That's 10 in the 90's but none since "Perfecting the Crown".
"Live Across America" was a greatest Hits compilation project. Repackaged songs that were previously released, so not one of their "live albums". 
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/13/2009 8:03:16 AM
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When i put my Kingsmen collection into catagories. I have 4 catagories.
1. Studio Albums
2. Live Albums
3. Compilations.(Greatest Hits, Best of, Favorites, etc. previously released stuff)
4. Table Projects (Budget projects not on a major label).
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/13/2009 9:10:04 AM
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In the process of finishing converting my Kingsmen tapes to CD I noticed and interesting trend that I'd like to see back.
It seems the Kingsmen used to do alot of live albums. Does anyone know why that has changed over the last decade. I know they did the 2 (Honoring the Heritage 2 and I'll Not Turn Back) recently that are, as far as I know table projects, but not major releases like they used to do.
Just in the 90's they did, "Live In Dayton","Singin' In the Sun: Live","Live Across America", "Live From the Alabama Theatre", "Georgia Live", "Perfecting the Crown", plus the 4 Kings Gold albums. That's 10 in the 90's but none since "Perfecting the Crown".
"Live Across America" was a greatest Hits compilation project. Repackaged songs that were previously released, so not one of their "live albums".
Fair enough, but it was still a released album and not just a table project though. That's what I was really trying to get at, was that they released alot of live stuff "in stores".
I would love to see a return to that. I think groups sound alot better live anyway, so a live album would be great.
I guess "Georgia Live" would be their last "New" material live album then, wouldn't it?
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/13/2009 9:17:20 AM
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Here is a snippet from Wikipedia that to me really sums up what the Kingsmen have been about for years.
"The Kingsmen of the 1980s continued to combine high energy, up-tempo music with an exciting brand of showmanship. They recorded more live projects than the average Southern Gospel group because the concert setting was where they excelled." (Wikipedia article on Kingsmen Quartet)
I think all the fans need to keep suggesting to the group that they do more live albums again. It may not be their fault though, maybe the label doesn't want to do live albums, as I'm sure it costs quite a bit
Do you think that maybe without the Showmanship of Hamill they just don't feel like a live album would be as good today. It seems that the demise of the Kingsmen live albums, fairly closely coincided with Jim's retirement.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/13/2009 1:34:16 PM
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where is that video located at gaither.com?
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Am I the only one that thinks the Kingsman's version of 'WHEN I WAKE UP" is electrifying? It's on the new gaither.com site...and WOW. I think I've never felt the Spirit flowing more in a singing group than when I listen to them sing that song.
If only you knew how many recordings they have made of that song since 1971 when they first did on "Big And Live"...
If SGHistory.com is correct, they have recorded it 5 times total.
(1973 Big and Live; 1996 The Best of Four Decades with the Kingsmen; 1997 Southern Classics: Kingsmen Standards; 2000 Not Quite As Big But Just As Live Again; 2004 Born Again
Well, you can't count "The Best of Four Decades" , cause that's a compilation of previous recorded songs.
They did more of it than those mentioned above!: I have at one more recording of it done between 1984 and 1988 on a cassette (that I copied to CD) that had a version with the vocal lineup at the time. I can't think of the name, but Arthur Rice was on it. This tape was of the "Kmart Bluelight Specials) type: recordings that were made cheaply and intended just for the product table and not for radio play.
Im am curious now to know exactly how versions I have..now I'll have to look and see; so far we have:
(1) "Big And Live" (1971)
(2) (unknown; c. 1984-1989)
(3) "Southern Classics: Kingsmen Standards" (1997)
(4) "Not Quite As Big But Just As Live" (2001)
(5) "Born Again" (2004)
"The Glory Road" is another song they have recorded umpteen times; in looking for "When I Wake Up" I found three recordings of that! We could start a new thread: "We Could Not Sing It Right the First Time Around" or maybe "We Had To Have Something To Put on The CD."
The "worst" group I ever remember about recording the same song more than once was Heavenbound. They had several songs recorded multiple times; two done at least three times!
Alright...I found the missing tape...well, actually I found the cd that I made of the missing tape!
It was called "Once Again". It is new recordings of songs that the Kingsmen had recorded in years prior; vocals
Tenor: Gary (can't remember his last name)
Lead: Jim Hammill & Arthur Rice
Baritone: Elridge Fox & Ed Crawford
Bass: Ray Reese\
Songs Are:
01 Winging My Way Back Home
02 The Glory Road
03 The Apple Tree Story
04 When I Wake Up
05 Rock Of Ages
06 Hide Thou Me
07 One Day At A Time
08 Just A Little Talk w/Jesus
09 What A Friend
And, just for your benefit, there is another tape on this disc titled "Favorite 10". It is a collection of songs that were popular during late 1980s:
Songs Are:
01 Ring The Bells (recorded by the Hemphills)
02 God On The Mtn (recorded by the Mckaemys; this is far superior to
Peg's version...)
03 I Remember The Day (recorded by the Perrys)
04 I'm Gonna Rise (recorded by Gold City)
05 Champion Of Love (recorded by the Cathedrals)
06 Double Dose (recorded by the Dixie Melody Boys)
07 Two More Hands (?)
08 Beautiful Heaven (recorded by the Singing Echoes)
09 I Lean On You Lord (recorded by the Florida Boys)
10 I'm Rich (recorded by Teddy Huffam; this is actually the same music track as Teddy's version)
Vocalists are:
Tenor: Gary
Lead: Arthur
Baritone: Ed
Bass: Ray
All the musicians were probably the usual band...or at least Anthony is playing the piano...
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/13/2009 1:44:49 PM
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Here is a snippet from Wikipedia that to me really sums up what the Kingsmen have been about for years.
"The Kingsmen of the 1980s continued to combine high energy, up-tempo music with an exciting brand of showmanship. They recorded more live projects than the average Southern Gospel group because the concert setting was where they excelled." (Wikipedia article on Kingsmen Quartet)
I think all the fans need to keep suggesting to the group that they do more live albums again. It may not be their fault though, maybe the label doesn't want to do live albums, as I'm sure it costs quite a bit
Do you think that maybe without the Showmanship of Hamill they just don't feel like a live album would be as good today. It seems that the demise of the Kingsmen live albums, fairly closely coincided with Jim's retirement.
Well, actually they are cheaper; generally you use your own musicians and equipment. Nowdays all you need is a PC and a few more gadgets and you can do a "pro" live recording yourself; my band did this very thing back in Nov of last year. We hired a guy from Atlanta to record a live show at the Lee Arrendale Women's Prison in Alto, Ga. All
he brought was a PC and a mixing board!
The real reason behind the "what happened to live projects.." is that...well...just that...they are live. People are so used to hearing perfect-soundings cds now. And you cannot get that "perfect sound" in a live setting. Even secular producers know that. They will have their artist just lip-sync 9 of 10 performances. Do you really think that someone can sing and dance like they do now without screwing up? Ask Britney Spears about that. This is one reason why you see groups use tracks: it is the same music, the same tempo, the exact same notes everytime. People cannot do all that consistently for a long period.
Some groups (like the Perrys for example) have tried to combine studio and live by recording the tracks before the performance and just simply singing back with the tracks. And they also will sing some parts twice (either before or after the actual show) to give a bigger sound to their vocals.
Mike Lefevre told me once that most pro groups will lip-sync if they have a member who cannot sing correctly for some reason.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/13/2009 6:44:17 PM
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I have to agree with BillBaileyBFAFan. They don't do nearly as many live albums as they used to. It was the live albums that got me hooked on The Kingsmen when I was younger, and I wish they would do more of them. In my opinion (and thats all it is) the last two live albums they did did not compare to the others they have done. The energy wasn't there. As far as the comment of the music quality on a live album not being as good as one recorded in the studio, personally I prefer the energy that they have had in previous live albums over studio "tweaking" any day. The majority of the "classic" albums many people still talk about today are live recordings. You will not hear Harold hitting his "triple octave high note" on the end of Beautiful Home on a studio recording, but I have heard him do it twice in concert (and it was AWESOME!) You also wont hear Brian lead them to do an encore because the crowd is going nuts and the energy in the room is at an all time high, but I have also seen that live as well. Give me a live recording with the guys "doin' their thing" as only the Kingsmen can, and I am a very happy guy.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/13/2009 8:47:25 PM
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In the process of finishing converting my Kingsmen tapes to CD I noticed and interesting trend that I'd like to see back.
It seems the Kingsmen used to do alot of live albums. Does anyone know why that has changed over the last decade. I know they did the 2 (Honoring the Heritage 2 and I'll Not Turn Back) recently that are, as far as I know table projects, but not major releases like they used to do.
Just in the 90's they did, "Live In Dayton","Singin' In the Sun: Live","Live Across America", "Live From the Alabama Theatre", "Georgia Live", "Perfecting the Crown", plus the 4 Kings Gold albums. That's 10 in the 90's but none since "Perfecting the Crown".
"Live Across America" was a greatest Hits compilation project. Repackaged songs that were previously released, so not one of their "live albums".
Fair enough, but it was still a released album and not just a table project though. That's what I was really trying to get at, was that they released alot of live stuff "in stores".
I would love to see a return to that. I think groups sound alot better live anyway, so a live album would be great.
I guess "Georgia Live" would be their last "New" material live album then, wouldn't it?
OK, the Live Across America , Cd, Compilation was released by Benson Co. , their old record company. Benson released quite a few of compilation CD's like Live Across America, Masters of Gospel, 35 Royal Years, and others.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/13/2009 9:20:59 PM
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I have to agree with BillBaileyBFAFan. They don't do nearly as many live albums as they used to. It was the live albums that got me hooked on The Kingsmen when I was younger, and I wish they would do more of them. In my opinion (and thats all it is) the last two live albums they did did not compare to the others they have done. The energy wasn't there. As far as the comment of the music quality on a live album not being as good as one recorded in the studio, personally I prefer the energy that they have had in previous live albums over studio "tweaking" any day. The majority of the "classic" albums many people still talk about today are live recordings. You will not hear Harold hitting his "triple octave high note" on the end of Beautiful Home on a studio recording, but I have heard him do it twice in concert (and it was AWESOME!) You also wont hear Brian lead them to do an encore because the crowd is going nuts and the energy in the room is at an all time high, but I have also seen that live as well. Give me a live recording with the guys "doin' their thing" as only the Kingsmen can, and I am a very happy guy.
AMEN, I agree 100% with that post. Those are my feelings exactly. When I first started getting Kingsmen stuff, videos and live albums were what I looked for first. They just had such an amazing energy in those albums. One thing that always bugged me was the over use of musicians in studio albums. I liked the live ones with a band where all you had was basically Drums, Piano, bass and whatever Randy Miller happened to be playing any given song, usually an electric guitar or harmonica.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/14/2009 11:14:12 AM
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Actually, I would say one of their finest live albums was when they did the live project called "Just as Big but not quite as Live" which was a remake of the Big and Live project 25 years after the original.
it occurred in 1999.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/14/2009 5:12:14 PM
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Actually, I would say one of their finest live albums was when they did the live project called "Just as Big but not quite as Live" which was a remake of the Big and Live project 25 years after the original.
it occurred in 1999.
You ain't kiddin!!! That one was great, but why not release it as a major label release???? i don't understand it. I almost think that it was intended to be a major release, and something must have happened. The packaging was far better than ANY of the table projects they had done before.
FYI. It was called Not quite as BIG but just as LIVE Again
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/20/2009 8:11:57 PM
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I feel your pain Bennett Fan, but some groups talk up the awards more then other groups do. By that I mean at thier concerts they talk it up more to thier fans about voting for them. The tenor winner bothered me more.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/21/2009 8:59:37 AM
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Yes, i was watching the awards on the internet, and when they said the winner, i was so shocked, i thought for sure , When God Ran was gonna win. I was very dissapointed the Kingsmen didn't win any awards this year. But , they are still MY favorites.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/21/2009 11:16:29 AM
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I agree DJ they have always been my favorite. They are going to be with my quartet on Fiday night Oct 23rd here in NC.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/21/2009 2:57:49 PM
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They need to get more fans that subscribe to The Singing News to vote for 'em!!!!
I'm convinced that is why the Collingsworth Family isn't getting any awards. They just don't push the magazine and a lot of their fans do not subsribe and cannot vote.
I wonder how many people subscribe to SN just so they can vote in the Fan Awards every year??????
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 9/21/2009 3:43:55 PM
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They need to get more fans that subscribe to The Singing News to vote for 'em!!!!
I'm convinced that is why the Collingsworth Family isn't getting any awards. They just don't push the magazine and a lot of their fans do not subsribe and cannot vote.
I wonder how many people subscribe to SN just so they can vote in the Fan Awards every year??????
Probably a lot but then a lot of folks don't vote that subscribe! I know several of those.
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