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Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 9:42:14 AM
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TorchHeart
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A conversation in another thread brought me to the idea for this poll.
If you were called upon to carry out the sentence of a convicted murderer by acting as their executioner, would you do it? I'm not talking about a specific person (no "depends on who it is... if it was Osama bin Laden" arguments); just a person who has been tried and convicted of murder and sentenced to death for their crime. You will serve as the executioner.
Would you do it?
NOTE: Feel free to give your logic for your choice of yes or no. Discussion on the subject of capital punishment is on-topic for this thread. I will NOT be responding in this thread; I'm more interested in seeing what others have to say and how they will answer this question.
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 9:45:11 AM
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P31W
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If that was my job yes I would do it.
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 10:23:31 AM
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DougHorton
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ORIGINAL: P31W
If that was my job yes I would do it.
Exactly. As an individual citizen acting out of my own judgment, no, but as the executioner employed by the state, yes.
It is the right of the state to execute, not the individual.
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 10:32:33 AM
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stellaluna
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1) I can't imagine having such a job, but if I did, then yes.
2) If you have convictions against the death penalty, then I can't imagine you would take that job.
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 10:55:23 AM
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DougHorton
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2) If you have convictions against the death penalty, then I can't imagine you would take that job.
Good point. And I would add that if I thought the state was unjustly condemning people, I would not take the job.
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You may think it strange, but he never likes any assistance. When he made the world, he did not ask the angel Gabriel so much as to cool the molten matter with his wing, but he did it entirely himself. -- Spurgeon
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 11:59:35 AM
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Lapidoth
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Personal convictions seem to be the reason why one would or would not take the job.
The question basically says, "If it were your job?"
I've had this conversation hundreds of times.
The convictions are always the same.
Those who don't understand the difference in "killing" and "murder"
and the difference in capital punishment and just killing someone.
The Bible is clear, yet, we seem to lean to our own understanding.
I would be glad to do it, but I would probably get very sick doing it.
The only reason I would refuse to do it, is if it were a violation of God's
Word, which it is NOT.
Do we "obey" the Word of God fully, or do we follow our own ideas?
So, yes, I would do it.
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 12:00:09 PM
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mrtigger
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Would you do it?
No I would not.
I do not have a moral issue against the death penalty. And in fact I think there are many criminals who deserve the death penalty. However, I do not trust our justice system enough to support it determining who lives & who dies.
I've seen how the justice system works. Way too much of politics and personalities influence it. I would not be willing to put a person to death based on it's decision. There would be a significant chance that I was executing an innocent person or executing someone who would have gotten prison instead if they were of a different race or had more money for defense lawyers.
The OP doesn't say if it was my job... Just if I would do it if called upon. Obviously, I would not have accepted the job of executioner since I have reservations with the death penalty....
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 12:20:48 PM
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Consecrated2God
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I support the death penalty, but I personally wouldn't care to be the one who had to carry it out. I don't even like killing animals, although we raise chickens for meat. It's just one of those things I prefer to leave to those less squeamish.
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 12:33:07 PM
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Oldwing
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I believe executions lower the executioners to the level of the murderer they are executing. I am somewhat ashamed that I live in a capital offense state. Every time they execute someone they are doing it in the name of society. That's me and you... Not of God at all.
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 2:00:05 PM
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DougHorton
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I believe executions lower the executioners to the level of the murderer they are executing. I am somewhat ashamed that I live in a capital offense state. Every time they execute someone they are doing it in the name of society. That's me and you... Not of God at all.
So Who ordained the state?
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 2:11:53 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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I don't have the guts.
However, when a man with evil intent followed my daughter home, if I'd had anything other than the BB gun I owned, had he taken one step on my property, I would have shot him between the eyes with the intent of killing him. When I had time to think about it later, I would have taken firearms lessons and shot his feet out from under him to keep him from coming any farther.
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 5:59:44 PM
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ik3900
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I would not do it. Not because I have any fundamental opposition to the death penalty but because the chance of killing the wrong person will always be there. The spate of exonerations in recent years due to the advent of DNA testing has really made me think about whether innocent men/women were executed prior to it. To me, the killing of one innocent person is too high a price to pay even if every other person you ever execute is guilty.
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 6:07:50 PM
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tomhillbilly
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I agree with mrtigger, i dont have any faith in the kangaroo court so called justice syatem either. I dont beileve in making a circus out of killing someone either. however, if carried out by members of the community publically, by hanging or firing squad or chopping their head off with an axe, then yes i would gladly do it.
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 6:17:07 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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DNA has proven that too many innocent people have been on death row. Bless those people, mainly students and instructors, who had the guts to investigate.
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 7:22:10 PM
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Bluethread
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If that was my job yes I would do it.
Exactly. As an individual citizen acting out of my own judgment, no, but as the executioner employed by the state, yes.
It is the right of the state to execute, not the individual.
That's not my understanding of the Scriptures. The execution is to be done by the witnesses who know they will be executed themselves if they are found guilty of purgary.
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 7:50:41 PM
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litfire2000
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No!
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 7:54:29 PM
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Bluethread
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No!
Then how do you deal with the "ninth commandment" to not bear false witness. If you witnessed a murder, would you witness against the murderer?
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 8:44:33 PM
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Cloak
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No, I would not execute any murderer no matter what!
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/25/2008 9:44:45 PM
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HisFish
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I believe executions lower the executioners to the level of the murderer they are executing. I am somewhat ashamed that I live in a capital offense state. Every time they execute someone they are doing it in the name of society. That's me and you... Not of God at all.
By your logic those responsible for incarcerating kidnappers against their will would be just as bad as the kidnapper?. Like it or not God set the penalty for murder and Jesus did not abolish it.
To answer the OP i could perform an execution were that my job, not with joy nor sadness but with satisfaction that justice was served.
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/26/2008 11:42:54 AM
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DougHorton
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If that was my job yes I would do it.
Exactly. As an individual citizen acting out of my own judgment, no, but as the executioner employed by the state, yes.
It is the right of the state to execute, not the individual.
That's not my understanding of the Scriptures. The execution is to be done by the witnesses who know they will be executed themselves if they are found guilty of purgary.
That's very true. But the witnesses were not to begin the execution until the local elders and/or rulers convicted the criminal and sanctioned the execution. And the witnesses only BEGAN the execution (stoning), to be continued by the rest of the community.
BTW - The Mosaic Law required two or more witnesses. No circumstantial evidence was allowed. No other forensic evidence was allowed. The crime must have been witnessed. They were much more strict than even our laws. If we followed this same standard, DNA evidence would be superfluous, only confirming what the court already knew.
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You may think it strange, but he never likes any assistance. When he made the world, he did not ask the angel Gabriel so much as to cool the molten matter with his wing, but he did it entirely himself. -- Spurgeon
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/26/2008 12:58:51 PM
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edgibson
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Yes, I would. And I would sleep well afterward.
It is my opinion that we don't execute enough. I am for more corporal, and more public, punishments for crime. Make is painful and embarrassing and I suspect that you will see a reduction in crime.
Agree or disagree with the government of most Middle East countries, they just don't have the crime we do. Look at their punishments, though! Would you risk it?
I say we reinstate public floggings or canings.
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/26/2008 3:16:13 PM
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Consecrated2God
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Deb, wouldn't the burden on proof that Jesus had abolished something be on the person who said it had been? I mean, if he hadn't abolished something, the Bible wouldn't need to say anything at all.
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RE: Would you execute a convict? - 11/26/2008 5:54:28 PM
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Bluethread
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That's very true. But the witnesses were not to begin the execution until the local elders and/or rulers convicted the criminal and sanctioned the execution. And the witnesses only BEGAN the execution (stoning), to be continued by the rest of the community.
BTW - The Mosaic Law required two or more witnesses. No circumstantial evidence was allowed. No other forensic evidence was allowed. The crime must have been witnessed. They were much more strict than even our laws. If we followed this same standard, DNA evidence would be superfluous, only confirming what the court already knew.
Your point that HaTorah(The Mosaic Law) established due process in a community setting is well taken. However, I don't see where the other forms of evidence are excluded, they just must be accompanied by two or more witnesses. The importance of corroberating evidence is that it helps to encourage witnesses to come forward. Remember there is a serious price involved if one were found guilty of purgory. This evidence can be used to exonorate the witness in a purgory trial.
Also, traditionally, witnesses in capital cases underwent extensive cross examination such that two executions in the time of a high priest was considered a bloody regime. Corroberating evidence would help support the witness in that cross examination.
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