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Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to help l... - 12/1/2008 8:11:44 PM
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jbow
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I think it is a truly frightening idea (unless they are stationed along the border to defend against foreigners). For the military to be used, in any capacity, against ANY American citizen should really concern you.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/30/AR2008113002217_pf.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27989275/
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/1/2008 8:23:54 PM
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I would expect any troops at home (not on a tour of duty) would be trained and capable of responding to any disaster and supporting the National Guard troops already in place around our country.
I guess I don't understand what the big deal is. I need more explanation.
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/1/2008 9:43:53 PM
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I can see why some people would have issues with this, but I can also see that it may be necessary, given the world we live in.
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/1/2008 10:10:38 PM
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Can anybody say Posse Comitatus Act?
The same mantra the left was using whenever it was proposed troops be used on the Mexican border?
Now can anybody say hypocrite?
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/1/2008 11:01:52 PM
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Disgusting, and resistance-worthy. This is simply outrageous.
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/1/2008 11:15:26 PM
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I would have to ask first, is this a false bogeyman or is there really a threat of nuclear, biological, or chemical warfare here on our soil. There have been thwarted plans to attack the US from within. There were attacks in London, Spain, and Mumbai in the past, and the recent attacks in Mumai that raise alarms. We have been attacked in the past but it was "out of sight, out of mind". It didn't happen on our Mother Land, it was only our embassies and the USS Cole; Americans died and it was no big deal.
We want to hold the government accountable for not protecting us, yet we don't want to give them the power to do it. After 9/11, the families of the victims received an average of $1.04 million in compensation and it topped $38 billion. Should we wait until we are attacked to complain later on and sue or will it not matter because we may not have a government to sue?
There is an interesting statement made from the MSNBC link:
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In 2005, a new Pentagon homeland defense strategy emphasized "preparing for multiple, simultaneous mass casualty incidents." National security threats were not limited to adversaries who seek to grind down U.S. combat forces abroad, McHale said, but also include those who "want to inflict such brutality on our society that we give up the fight," such as by detonating a nuclear bomb in a U.S. city.
I think the Americans will to fight is already dismal. Not our military mind you, but the civilians here back at home. It's the seeds of cindy sheehan and michael moore that have bloomed these last couple of years.
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/1/2008 11:18:38 PM
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I think it is a truly frightening idea (unless they are stationed along the border to defend against foreigners). For the military to be used, in any capacity, against ANY American citizen should really concern you.
We've been doing it to Iraqis and a majority of those on this forum say were doing a great job. Why not do it over here?
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/1/2008 11:29:38 PM
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I think this is related to this conversation.
Has anyone here besides me been NIMS trained? (National Incident Management System) I work at a college and I have recieved roughly 60 hours of NIMS and emergency management training in the past year sanctioned by FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security. Many many people in my city have--school employees, city and other government employees, and of course all the first responders. It is a standardized system of managing natural disasters and any other incident, including biological and nuclear and chemical attacks. The idea is that when and if national resources are called in, everyone is "managing" an incident in the same manner. There are also mandatory deadlines for compliance.
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/1/2008 11:45:13 PM
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First from the link in the OP, note date:
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The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.
Now the latest news following the one in this thread:
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Study Reports U.S. Can Expect Nuclear Terrorist Attack Before 2013
The United States can expect a terrorist attack using nuclear or more likely biological weapons before 2013, reports a bipartisan commission in a study being briefed Tuesday to Vice President-elect Joe Biden.
It suggests the Obama administration bolster efforts to counter and prepare for germ warfare by terrorists.
"Our margin of safety is shrinking, not growing," states the report, obtained by The Associated Press. It is scheduled to be publicly released Wednesday. Source LINK
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/1/2008 11:57:50 PM
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We've been doing it to Iraqis and a majority of those on this forum say were doing a great job. Why not do it over here?
Using military troops in a war zone with nearly zero credible civilian law enforcement authority, much less a unified government, is a far cry from using our own military at home.
It would make more serios and be more reasonable to change the laws so that law enforcement could do what we expect them to do.
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/2/2008 6:29:14 AM
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First from the link in the OP, note date:
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The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.
Now the latest news following the one in this thread:
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Study Reports U.S. Can Expect Nuclear Terrorist Attack Before 2013
The United States can expect a terrorist attack using nuclear or more likely biological weapons before 2013, reports a bipartisan commission in a study being briefed Tuesday to Vice President-elect Joe Biden.
It suggests the Obama administration bolster efforts to counter and prepare for germ warfare by terrorists.
"Our margin of safety is shrinking, not growing," states the report, obtained by The Associated Press. It is scheduled to be publicly released Wednesday.
Source LINK
The first Brigade was dispatched October 1, BEFORE the election! This should raise some eyebrows about what our government is up too!.
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/2/2008 8:00:04 AM
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Can anybody say Posse Comitatus Act?
The same mantra the left was using whenever it was proposed troops be used on the Mexican border?
Now can anybody say hypocrite?
Last I checked, W is still in office and is still a Republican.
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Having a "D" or "R" next to ones name does not indicate political affiliation. I know you're smart enough to realize that Dan.
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/2/2008 9:01:18 AM
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Using military troops in a war zone with nearly zero credible civilian law enforcement authority, much less a unified government, is a far cry from using our own military at home.
Didn't home become a war zone on 9/11? That is what I have been hearing for the last 7+ years. ; )
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It would make more serios and be more reasonable to change the laws so that law enforcement could do what we expect them to do.
I agree with you there. The biggest problem though to empowering states and municipalities is everyone seems to prefer some kind of action on a federal level.
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Can anybody say Posse Comitatus Act?
I'm sorry but I absolutely just had to laugh when I read the part of that act that said "Constitutional Authority". I mean the federal government paying attention to Constitutional Authority in 21st century America? ROFLLOL!!!!!!!
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/2/2008 9:49:43 AM
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It would make more serios and be more reasonable to change the laws so that law enforcement could do what we expect them to do.
BINGO!!!!!!!
A lot of ordinary Joe Citizen's simply do not understand how with each passing day our law enforcement officers are being dumbed down more and more. With the political correctness of our times, they face scrutiny, lawsuits and loss of life/family structure because they cannot do their job anymore in the manner they should.
I could say a lot more about this but I have to run.
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/2/2008 10:05:49 AM
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ORIGINAL: leonfigg3
It would make more serios and be more reasonable to change the laws so that law enforcement could do what we expect them to do.
BINGO!!!!!!!
A lot of ordinary Joe Citizen's simply do not understand how with each passing day our law enforcement officers are being dumbed down more and more. With the political correctness of our times, they face scrutiny, lawsuits and loss of life/family structure because they cannot do their job anymore in the manner they should.
While additional scrutiny and lawsuits may make the police officers' job more difficult, are they really being dumbed down? Are police officers more or less likely now than 50 years ago to let their own prejudices guide their arrests and investigations? Does training in cultural awareness, the application of non-lethal force, and more advanced scientific investigation & interrogation techniques make the officers smarter or dumber?
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/2/2008 10:20:29 AM
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Part of the problem is that the National Guard stopped being a national guard and became a second wave of invasion forces for overseas military action.
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/2/2008 10:49:13 AM
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A lot of so called "experts" see martial law breaking out here in the next 18 months or so. I mean look at us. We trample someone to death over a tv, or guitar hero at wal mart.. Just imagine if people get scared over something.. Lets say like... the shortage of food? Just the rumors going around would drive everyone into a panic.. Look at your local gas stations when something happens.. People line up for blocks.. People are on edge constantly in this country.. All it is going to take is for something to break loose here, and your going see panic in the streets.. Look at India this past week.. How do you think we would react? We live and breath by what the stock market does.. What do you think the markets would do if we had that kind of attack here.. Post 9/11? I think that day is coming for us.. Either on our own soil.. or something breaks loose in the middle east that upsets the oil supply.. People will shoot each other over a tank of gas here.
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/2/2008 11:15:42 AM
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Using military troops in a war zone with nearly zero credible civilian law enforcement authority, much less a unified government, is a far cry from using our own military at home.
Didn't home become a war zone on 9/11? That is what I have been hearing for the last 7+ years. ; )
Again, the key difference is that here in our country we already have a credible civilian law enforcement authority. We do not need the military to aid in the enforcement of laws. That is not their job, unless and not until the civilian law enforcement authority breaksdown or is incapable of enforcing the law. Their job is national security.
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/2/2008 2:15:20 PM
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ORIGINAL: cow451
Part of the problem is that the National Guard stopped being a national guard and became a second wave of invasion forces for overseas military action.
Now other's can see what I mean by my above statement:
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It's the seeds of cindy sheehan and michael moore that have bloomed these last couple of years.
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/2/2008 3:51:47 PM
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Part of the problem is that the National Guard stopped being a national guard and became a second wave of invasion forces for overseas military action.
Now other's can see what I mean by my above statement:
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It's the seeds of cindy sheehan and michael moore that have bloomed these last couple of years.
I don't know that your assessment is valid. There isn't much hue and cry to get out of Afghanistan like there was for Iraq. Many, if not most, Americans came to realize that Iraq was a "bogeyman" that has drained vital military resources, including the National Guard (the traditional force for dealing with natural disasters and major civil unrest).
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/2/2008 6:16:08 PM
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ORIGINAL: earthless
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ORIGINAL: leonfigg3
It would make more serios and be more reasonable to change the laws so that law enforcement could do what we expect them to do.
BINGO!!!!!!!
A lot of ordinary Joe Citizen's simply do not understand how with each passing day our law enforcement officers are being dumbed down more and more. With the political correctness of our times, they face scrutiny, lawsuits and loss of life/family structure because they cannot do their job anymore in the manner they should.
While additional scrutiny and lawsuits may make the police officers' job more difficult, are they really being dumbed down? Are police officers more or less likely now than 50 years ago to let their own prejudices guide their arrests and investigations? Does training in cultural awareness, the application of non-lethal force, and more advanced scientific investigation & interrogation techniques make the officers smarter or dumber?
-Dan.
A lot of law enforcement officers, all around the country, are reluctant to do their job because when they do - cries of racism ring out. Shouts of abuse ring out. Lawsuits and internal affair investigations rise and they are nearly always aimed against the officer.
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/2/2008 7:25:58 PM
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A lot of law enforcement officers, all around the country, are reluctant to do their job because when they do - cries of racism ring out. Shouts of abuse ring out. Lawsuits and internal affair investigations rise and they are nearly always aimed against the officer.
Do you really believe that is why the troops are here?
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RE: Would 20,000 U.S. military troops in the USA, to he... - 12/2/2008 8:47:09 PM
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ORIGINAL: Rockwall
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Part of the problem is that the National Guard stopped being a national guard and became a second wave of invasion forces for overseas military action.
Now other's can see what I mean by my above statement:
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It's the seeds of cindy sheehan and michael moore that have bloomed these last couple of years.
I don't know that your assessment is valid. There isn't much hue and cry to get out of Afghanistan like there was for Iraq. Many, if not most, Americans came to realize that Iraq was a "bogeyman" that has drained vital military resources, including the National Guard (the traditional force for dealing with natural disasters and major civil unrest).
And if the resources wasted in Iraq had been put in Afghanistan, we probably would have brought bin Laden to justice by now.
We, the people, should have NEVER accepted the creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security. "Homeland"??????? just another buzz word for "fatherland" (Nazi Germany), "mother russia" (USSR). Are people really buying this ****? Has the U.S. become a right wing fascist (yes, fascism is right wing, not left wing check your history) nation? May it never be!!!!!!!!
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