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Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/21/2009 9:03:39 AM
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Bettawrekonize
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"I am concerned that if the direction of the news is all blogosphere, all opinions, with no serious fact-checking, no serious attempts to put stories in context, that what you will end up getting is people shouting at each other across the void but not a lot of mutual understanding," he said.
Obama open to newspaper bailout bill
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090920/1829336247.shtml
Wow, I'm so glad I didn't vote for the guy.
A: I find blogs MUCH MORE ACCURATE and DETAILED than newspapers. Often times blogs spend considerable times correcting newspapers even and going into details that newspapers leave out. Not to mention blogs often talk about subjects newspapers don't.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090917/0354056223.shtml
B: Many times blogs focus on specific topics whereas newspapers and mainstream media just talk about generalities and hence the mainstream media is less accurate and less detailed.
C: With blogs you tend to get all sides of the issue where as with mainstream media you only tend to get one side and only one side of an issue and other sides are ignored.
D: Newspapers often steal stories from blogs without giving credit.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090904/0416086107.shtml
On the other hand bloggers are FAR more likely to give credit being that they are less likely to have a policy against it.
One of the very reasons I read these forums and blogs is because they are far more specific, I get more sides of an issue, and they are more accurate than mainstream media.
Everyone pretty much knows that mainstream media is a joke (even if they don't admit it). But now that our president seems to have a vendetta against bloggers it probably won't be long before big government ruins a perfectly good thing (in favor of an inferior top down broadcasting structure that does nothing but brainwashes people).
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"I am concerned that if the direction of the news is all blogosphere, all opinions, with no serious fact-checking
This is a LIE, the reason I go to blogs (and these forums) is exactly because they are more likely to fact check. and to suggest that mainstream media is less opinionated is a lie. I expect these kinds of lies from mainstream media but now from our president? It's pathetic. STOP THE LIES.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/21/2009 9:25:23 AM
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I think the major newspapers already knew about this. Which would explain them trying to curry favor with Obama by avoiding so many stories that would not look good for him.
So now they are like the unions, standing with their hands out waiting on the payback.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/21/2009 12:53:53 PM
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This is moving from socialism where private entities
are owned by private people but controlled by government,
into fasism (sp?) which the government now owns the businesses.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/21/2009 1:25:02 PM
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He needs to bolster his grip on the news media. Newspapers are folding, the old conventional tv news outlets are losing viewers. His poll numbers are falling because of "outlaw" news media like Fox News, Drudge Report, and Rush Limbaugh, et al. Given time, the Great One will "welcome" taking over all news media.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/21/2009 8:03:17 PM
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Back when the government was saying there would be martial law in America if we didn't pass the first bailout last Autumn, I was telling friends and family this would happen. I told them that the government would take over banks and businesses, then go for health care, and when they're done with health care they would go for taking over the media. I knew this would happen. By the way... Fox News is not an outlaw news media. There job is to argue the right-wing view on the false "left vs. right" spectrum that keeps America divided. I truly cannot understand how people cannot see past this straw man. Call me what you will... I know it is coming. I can't be called anything I haven't been called before.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/21/2009 9:22:51 PM
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Blogs are much better at editorials, but newspapers (or something like them) is necessary for getting reporters on the ground or at the scene.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/21/2009 9:26:55 PM
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Back when the government was saying there would be martial law in America if we didn't pass the first bailout last Autumn, I was telling friends and family this would happen. I told them that the government would take over banks and businesses, then go for health care, and when they're done with health care they would go for taking over the media.
The news media is going to die soon, do you realize that? This isn't something the government's been planning. It's a situation that has come about through cheaper advertising on the internet and Craigslist (and similar services).
Eventually, all that's going to be left will be the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and maybe the Washington Post unless someone discovers a new business model for papers.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/21/2009 10:17:55 PM
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Back when the government was saying there would be martial law in America if we didn't pass the first bailout last Autumn,
Where did you get this nonsense from? Some blog?
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/22/2009 7:38:06 AM
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Do we really want the government in charge of the newspapers?
Amazing anyone would support such a thing...esspecially the media.....but it would suit them right since they support most of the socialist programs the Obamalord is proposing.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/22/2009 8:47:14 AM
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The term "outlaw" was sarcasm. Note the quotation marks. I'm a big Fox News fan. It's the only tv news I watch, except for the local news.
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Back when the government was saying there would be martial law in America if we didn't pass the first bailout last Autumn, I was telling friends and family this would happen. I told them that the government would take over banks and businesses, then go for health care, and when they're done with health care they would go for taking over the media. I knew this would happen. By the way... Fox News is not an outlaw news media. There job is to argue the right-wing view on the false "left vs. right" spectrum that keeps America divided. I truly cannot understand how people cannot see past this straw man. Call me what you will... I know it is coming. I can't be called anything I haven't been called before.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/22/2009 8:48:59 AM
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You're right. It would be nice if reporters would report the news and not editorialize on it, though.
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Blogs are much better at editorials, but newspapers (or something like them) is necessary for getting reporters on the ground or at the scene.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/22/2009 3:35:13 PM
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Speaking of Newspapers, this from an Indian (the country, not the Native American) website. Short, so I didn't excerpt because you need to read it all.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/22/2009 4:41:20 PM
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Back when the government was saying there would be martial law in America if we didn't pass the first bailout last Autumn,
Where did you get this nonsense from? Some blog?
I actually watched it on C-SPAN. Watch here.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/22/2009 4:52:55 PM
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Fox News is just as biased as CNN and others. They manipulate the facts, take quotes out of context, puts words in people's mouths, and/or outright lie just like the rest. They are nothing more than a gear in the political beast machine. There job is to "expose" liberals so that we will elect a Republican to come in and save us from the liberals. CNN and the like do the same on the other end of the spectrum to get us to vote for liberal Democrats to save us from the Republicans. But they all have the same agenda. If you don't believe me, look at the last 30 years. Do some research, and stop wearing a bib to the "this is what you're allowed to think" spoon feeding you get from the mainstream media.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/22/2009 4:54:31 PM
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I know, I know. Next comes the part where you all call me a freak, conspiracy nut, etc.. I've heard it all before.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/22/2009 8:50:27 PM
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Fox news being conservative is better than Obama News everynight.
In communist Russia the news was owned by the government. I can't understand why any self professing liberal would want the government to own the press.
Are you all crazy??
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/22/2009 9:13:48 PM
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I'm not aware of any serious bailout discussions. Gibbs pretty much nailed it in the linked article when he said that while news organizations are suffering in the current economy, he's not at all sure that government can do much about that.
Like Huangshan wrote, the news outlets are dealing with a broken revenue model. Other avenues (ebay, craigslist) can do what the papers used to do, but they do it more effectively and cheaper. Ad revenues are down since readership is down. There's really not much a government can do about that.
At most, we're talking some minor tax breaks if they need to restructure as non-profits. The only commitment you have from the White House is "we'll look at it". That's like when you ask your dad for a puppy and he says "we'll see." It's Politican-Speak for "don't hold your breath."
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/23/2009 8:25:09 AM
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I like that. Good post!
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ORIGINAL: cow451
Speaking of Newspapers, this from an Indian (the country, not the Native American) website. Short, so I didn't excerpt because you need to read it all.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 9/23/2009 10:09:10 AM
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Fox news being conservative is better than Obama News everynight.
In communist Russia the news was owned by the government. I can't understand why any self professing liberal would want the government to own the press.
Is the BBC a communist front? If not, your comparison is hyperbolic and irrelevant.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 11/1/2009 6:49:37 PM
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quote:
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"I am concerned that if the direction of the news is all blogosphere, all opinions, with no serious fact-checking, no serious attempts to put stories in context, that what you will end up getting is people shouting at each other across the void but not a lot of mutual understanding," he said.
Obama open to newspaper bailout bill
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090920/1829336247.shtml
Wow, I'm so glad I didn't vote for the guy.
A: I find blogs MUCH MORE ACCURATE and DETAILED than newspapers. Often times blogs spend considerable times correcting newspapers even and going into details that newspapers leave out. Not to mention blogs often talk about subjects newspapers don't.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090917/0354056223.shtml
B: Many times blogs focus on specific topics whereas newspapers and mainstream media just talk about generalities and hence the mainstream media is less accurate and less detailed.
C: With blogs you tend to get all sides of the issue where as with mainstream media you only tend to get one side and only one side of an issue and other sides are ignored.
D: Newspapers often steal stories from blogs without giving credit.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090904/0416086107.shtml
On the other hand bloggers are FAR more likely to give credit being that they are less likely to have a policy against it.
One of the very reasons I read these forums and blogs is because they are far more specific, I get more sides of an issue, and they are more accurate than mainstream media.
Everyone pretty much knows that mainstream media is a joke (even if they don't admit it). But now that our president seems to have a vendetta against bloggers it probably won't be long before big government ruins a perfectly good thing (in favor of an inferior top down broadcasting structure that does nothing but brainwashes people).
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"I am concerned that if the direction of the news is all blogosphere, all opinions, with no serious fact-checking
This is a LIE, the reason I go to blogs (and these forums) is exactly because they are more likely to fact check. and to suggest that mainstream media is less opinionated is a lie. I expect these kinds of lies from mainstream media but now from our president? It's pathetic. STOP THE LIES.
Greetings
The reason why Obama will bailout bill newspaper is to force people to subscribe online so he can attempt to control information, and in like manner this will force people with these internet subscriptions to pay per each article viewed
...........The way I see it... it may cost at the least 3 times as much as regular monthly subscription of a newspaper that used to be delivered to a house
The newspaper industry is the most corrupt organization in existence... if one thinks ACORN was bad by instructing people on how to avoid paying taxes... the newspaper industry actually uses the names of independent contractors (carriers) who are no longer working and who are unaware of it, and is the standard form of corruption, by design is to fill pockets full of $$$ in order to avoid paying the taxes...
LG
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 11/2/2009 12:37:02 PM
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Greetings
The reason why Obama will bailout bill newspaper is to force people to subscribe online so he can attempt to control information, and in like manner this will force people with these internet subscriptions to pay per each article viewed
...........The way I see it... it may cost at the least 3 times as much as regular monthly subscription of a newspaper that used to be delivered to a house
The newspaper industry is the most corrupt organization in existence... if one thinks ACORN was bad by instructing people on how to avoid paying taxes... the newspaper industry actually uses the names of independent contractors (carriers) who are no longer working and who are unaware of it, and is the standard form of corruption, by design is to fill pockets full of $$$ in order to avoid paying the taxes...
LG
The real issue here is that online resources publish for free what the print media charges for - an incurs printing and distribution expenses in the process that the online media don't have.
People have come to expect free information and aren't as willing to pony up to have a newspaper delivered. I know I don't anymore.
A few outlets like the Wall St Journal have figured out how to get people to pay for online content, but most haven't been able to get the readership to make the switch. This is why print media in particular are having a very tough go of it right now - no one wants to pay to get their paper, no business wants to advertise in a paper that no one buys, and Ebay/Craigslist are more effective tools for classifieds so there's no revenue on that front either. Huangshan I think rightly pointed out that the print media are rapidly dying out, with the regular TV networks not all that far behind.
So, it's not any nefarious government activity forcing online subscription - it's old fashioned competition and economics, which wouldn't be taking things this direction if it were actually more expensive. It's highly unlikely that online media will prove to be a more expensive delivery option when all costs and benefits are factored in.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 11/2/2009 12:42:47 PM
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I found this section of the Washington Post editorial to be very, very acccurate:
"For the first time in American history, we are nearing a point where we will no longer have more than minimal resources (relative to the nation's size) dedicated to reporting the news. The prospect that this "information age" could be characterized by unchecked spin and propaganda, where the best-financed voice almost always wins, and cynicism, ignorance and demoralization reach pandemic levels, is real. So, too, is the threat to the American experiment.
Our Constitution is, the Supreme Court reminds us, predicated on the assumption of an informed and participating citizenry. If insufficient news media exist to make that a realistic outcome, the foundation crumbles.
Obama, the former constitutional law professor, says, "Government without a tough and vibrant media is not an option for the United States of America."
Unfortunately, the marketplace now eliminates journalism jobs at a rate in excess of 1,000 a month -- with little concern for the president's view. "I'm not sure the answer is to have government funding in the news media, but I do agree with the authors that we have a big, big problem. Very little real investigative research and reporting is being done. Why? It's expensive, it takes a lot of time, and news organizations can no longer afford anything that can't be produced quickly by very few people.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 11/2/2009 1:03:00 PM
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Most newspapers simply put into print whatever AP or Reuters puts out, adding their own headlines, and deciding where to put the news items in the paper. Except for local news, etc., there isn't much difference between any of the major newspapers.
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RE: Obama open to newspaper bailout bill - 11/2/2009 3:12:28 PM
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So, it's not any nefarious government activity forcing online subscription - it's old fashioned competition and economics, which wouldn't be taking things this direction if it were actually more expensive. It's highly unlikely that online media will prove to be a more expensive delivery option when all costs and benefits are factored in.
Greetings,
It's highly unlikely that online media will prove to be a more expensive delivery option when all costs and benefits are factored in.
I was taking into account the lessons learned from the recent past...that keeps repeating itself in different industries
For example the car companies when pushing those BIG SUV's and then out of the clear blue we have a gas gouge by the oil companies, and before that. the Clinton Admin begins to dictate to the banks to pass out mortgages to those they knew could not pay for them… and then all of sudden we have the same crisis but a little larger
As we speak the computers are getting faster the power supplies are no longer consuming 150 to 250 watts but have tripled in consumption in many cases, therefore consuming even more power…. Combine that with the threat of Cap and trade (TAX) threading to double our electric bills...to boot
I am taking into account all the little details
Think of it...
Once a crisis occurs and there are no more newspapers or such media to be found other than what is on the internet, what happens then once the power is cut off during some kind of man made crisis...(to quote this administration..).
We already see that folks gun rights are under assault and could therefore be stripped, the cell phones could be under BIG GOV controls and cut off, how will folks know what is going on or be informed during some kind of "man made" crisis 
As a matter of fact a local paper in the area is already beginning to charge "per article" for anything not in associated with the AP along with the subscription;
The newspaper I worked at a few years ago as a district "sales manager" … the acting circ director at the time told me that they were actually receiving bonuses to decrease circulation while at the same time transferring the billing out of state…. while forcing subscribers to use credit cards (which attributed to a lot of lost circ)…so as to make a way for the internet.... and actually forbade me to increase my district….and now all of a sudden they need a bailout????
…..Kind of democratic.. don’t ya think... a district "sales manager" forbidden to increase circulation LOL!!
Truthfully….Just compare the big gov healthcare costs, the car companies with their SUV and the gas increase fiascos’, the mortgages crisis and now the big push to the internet, ALL were by design projected to be increasing to a crisis over time….
…..Now apply the same to the newspaper industry and in like manner with everything else we have seen crisis wise as mentioned above ….the costs will only be increasing over time,
Its the spirit this world lives by,
But it is just more transparent now …as Obama promised.
That is I believe the only promise he has kept,
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So, it's not any nefarious government activity forcing online subscription
Agreed, but there is just no end to the obvious  it is just more transparent and not as nefarious
It’s all still rigged…
Obama open to newspaper bailout bill
How transparent.. Better not waste a MAN MADE crisis.........
This county better wake up!
LG
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