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Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/13/2008 9:29:43 PM
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BillBaileyBFAFan
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I have always wondered if any groups researched a church's doctrine before singing there? I know when you look at most groups' schedules, the churches range from Baptist, to Methodist, to Pentacostal, to Church of God.
Is that something that the church needs to check, to see if a group's songs mesh with what they teach, or should the group look into that, or does it even matter??
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/13/2008 9:37:52 PM
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tenor247
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I think if the church books you, then they ought to know what you believe and sing about.....
They are inviting you in, so evidently you have done something that they enjoy and agree with or they wouldnt invite you.....
Like you said..does it matter???
WEEELLLL, in the case Wendy Bagwell used to speak of..........I have to say
"RECKON WHERE THEY WANT ONE????"
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/13/2008 9:47:21 PM
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I have heard several groups make statements from the stage like: "We went into a church the other day and they told us they didn't want us singing any songs about 'the blood'."
This is usually followed by a song that has "blood" in the title.
I don't know if this is just a straw man to set up the song, but I would think that a church would set that sort of parameter in advance.
My point being that it would be up to the church to set any restrictions in the engagement contract. I don't believe that the group should have the responsibility of researching the doctrine of churches where they sing.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/13/2008 10:21:30 PM
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I remember Roy Pauley mentioned in one of his articles something about this. The main thing I remember was that if you ever sing in a Seventh-Day Adventist Church, be wise enough not to sing "Everyday Will Be Sunday."
I know I always try to be mindful of the church I'm singing in (especially if I know the people). And some churches do not believe in clapping, so don't try to get them to do it. They're not gonna do it.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/13/2008 10:36:23 PM
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I can't imagine it, but I would be ashamed of one of my favorite groups (or any SG group) compromising the Gospel in any way. There is no Gospel message without the blood!
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/13/2008 10:58:53 PM
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BillBaileyBFAFan
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I think if the church books you, then they ought to know what you believe and sing about.....
They are inviting you in, so evidently you have done something that they enjoy and agree with or they wouldnt invite you.....
Like you said..does it matter???
WEEELLLL, in the case Wendy Bagwell used to speak of..........I have to say
"RECKON WHERE THEY WANT ONE????"
Yeah, you are probably right. I wouldn't invite a group that didnt believe like my church.
The closest to this type of thing was several years back the Kingsmen came to our school every year for about 4 yrs, always organized by one of the teachers, and proceeds went to a drug awareness program.
Then a year or 2 passed without them, and a local politician, (a Southern Gospel fan) brought them in. It was a great concert, but during the intermission the politician (running for office at the time) gave a political speech. Afterwards Parker was talking to me and the teacher and said, he'd rather the teacher bring them back, as he felt awkward in that setting, with the politicians party affiliation.
That's not doctrine, but still it was The Kingsmen being associated with that politicians party, which they were uncomfortable with.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/13/2008 11:24:33 PM
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It bothers me very much when groups talk politics from the stage, even if I agree with them.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 12:44:09 AM
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I agree with you, Mike.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 7:23:14 AM
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An artist should be able to sing their selected set of songs no matter if they are singing in an auditorium, gymnasium or church sanctuary. If a church has problems with certain doctrinal issues it is up to them to determine if an artist is suited for their church or not.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 10:07:57 AM
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Our motto is to unload the wagon while were there as we may not be asked back again. The message is much more important than the money and if you get the message out, God will take care of the rest. But of course what do we know, we have been rookies at this for more than thirty years. 
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 1:19:14 PM
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I have traveled professionally with a quartet and also continue to sing part-time with my family group. We are pentecostal and sing in a wide array of denominations. We sing and act the same in every concert we do no matter where we are and have never had a problem anywhere. The only thing we do differently is how we do the invitation. We ALWAYS do one, yet we cater the methods to fit the crow we are singing to.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 1:21:47 PM
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This reminds me of a funny story. About 4-5 years ago, a MoM that had booked Greater Vision for her church (Methodist) was fired about a month before the concert date. So, she asked the church I was going to if she could use the church sanctuary for the concert. Well, I happened to be the Church Clerk at the time, and when it was brought up in a business meeting, I almost fell out of my seat! I was so excited I could hardly contain myself....thinking that Greater Vision would actually come to my church! It was an independent Baptist Church and very few people even knew who Greater Vision was, so I popped up and gave a testimony for them. The church approved them coming! I could hardly wait to get out of church so that I could call Dinana and tell her.
So, YES, I believe it is the responsibility of the sponsoring church (or group, or promoter) to know what the group represents before they allow them to come minister to you!
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 2:24:25 PM
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We don't change or compromise the Gospel it doesn't matter where we go. We sing in all denominations. I have been told that (we don't like the blood songs) but we didn't change and that had us back anyway.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 5:04:32 PM
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BillBaileyBFAFan
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I think my point has been lost. I didnt really ask this, because of groups compromising to sing only what the church believed, but asked more out of concern for groups being associated with cultish churches, and churches who preach and teach bizzarro doctrine, like works salvation, or baptismal regeneration.
Say, if a SG group was asked to sing in a Catholic church? (not saying this would happen) but how many groups would want to be associated with that bunch??
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 5:12:56 PM
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Well what I meant was most of us try and go just about anywhere we are asked, as far as a church goes. Even if they believe different. All we try to do is plant the seed and the Lord will nuture it. Of course that is just my opinion.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 5:15:18 PM
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I was once working on a booking in an Independent Baptist Church and the person I was dealing with asked me to send my ministry doctrine. He asked me to also include what my beliefs were about female pastors. I just e-mailed him my ministry statement and didn't even address the pastor issue. I sang there but still have no idea why that particular issue was brought up.
I have heard a pastor mention that he wouldn't have a certain group because he saw on their website that they sing in pentecostal churches.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 5:33:20 PM
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Singing in a particular church doesn't mean you endorse every detail of what that church represents. Or any other venue, for that matter. We sang in a prison a few weeks ago.
Look at it this way. If you don't agree with them, well...you're "on the mission field."
If a Catholic church wanted us to give them a Southern Gospel concert, I'd go in a heartbeat.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 5:43:12 PM
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Singing in a particular church doesn't mean you endorse every detail of what that church represents. Or any other venue, for that matter. We sang in a prison a few weeks ago.
Look at it this way. If you don't agree with them, well...you're "on the mission field."
If a Catholic church wanted us to give them a Southern Gospel concert, I'd go in a heartbeat.
I Agree!
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 5:49:27 PM
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Based on some extremely odd situations I found myself in, I made a conscious decision to steer clear of certain churches and denominations.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 6:03:49 PM
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Kerrlaw
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I think my point has been lost. I didnt really ask this, because of groups compromising to sing only what the church believed, but asked more out of concern for groups being associated with cultish churches, and churches who preach and teach bizzarro doctrine, like works salvation, or baptismal regeneration.
Say, if a SG group was asked to sing in a Catholic church? (not saying this would happen) but how many groups would want to be associated with that bunch??
If I could sing, I would be pleased to be invited to sing in a Catholic church.
Why wouldn't you, Bill?
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 6:41:37 PM
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It bothers me very much when groups talk politics from the stage, even if I agree with them.
Please be clear though, it was a politician that did this, not the Kingsmen. I don't want to give the wrong impression. I hope I wasnt unclear as to who was doing the speaking.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 6:47:36 PM
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BillBaileyBFAFan
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I think my point has been lost. I didnt really ask this, because of groups compromising to sing only what the church believed, but asked more out of concern for groups being associated with cultish churches, and churches who preach and teach bizzarro doctrine, like works salvation, or baptismal regeneration.
Say, if a SG group was asked to sing in a Catholic church? (not saying this would happen) but how many groups would want to be associated with that bunch??
If I could sing, I would be pleased to be invited to sing in a Catholic church.
Why wouldn't you, Bill?
I wouldn't because, like it or not, if a group sings at a church, they ARE endorsing that church, just by being there.
This may not be intentional, but it is true.
Just like if I invite an evangelist to speak at a church, his name will be associated with that church, and the church associated with him. That's why most churches are really careful about who the invite to preach, and preachers are real careful about where they preach.
( Note: I'm not talking about outreach or mission work at a prison. I'm talking about in the pulpit, or on the platform of a church). I really think a group should ask to see the church's beliefs before they agree. (Or the booking agency could handle this, if the group was clear to them about where they would or wouldnt sing)
That really sums up my whole point.
--edited to add following paragraph--
Churches are not dilligent here either. A church will be real careful about not inviting preachers who don't preach the doctrine they believe, but set it to music and most churches don't research it out.
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RE: Do Groups research doctrine, before singing somewhere? - 8/14/2008 6:57:21 PM
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Kerrlaw
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quote:
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It bothers me very much when groups talk politics from the stage, even if I agree with them.
Please be clear though, it was a politician that did this, not the Kingsmen. I don't want to give the wrong impression. I hope I wasnt unclear as to who was doing the speaking.
I understand Bill, but I have heard singers do it.
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