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RE: Child 'sacrifice' - 11/17/2009 11:48:05 AM
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doinkdom
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amen and halleliah!
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RE: Child 'sacrifice' - 11/18/2009 1:38:28 AM
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didymus101
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LL, simply marvelous. I have a selfish motive for sayin that, yet it is true nonetheless.
I have talked about possessing nothing-- and that has been interpreted as not caring or a workless faith.
We let go of everything and put it firmly in His care. We own nothing. Everything we have been given is a gift essential to helping others and to His glory; not our possession to use as we see fit. We did not earn our paycheck. We did not break the school record in whatever sport. We did not, as LL pointed out, give our children life and they are not ours to shape.
As someone else said, this is an extremely difficult view to accept.
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RE: Child 'sacrifice' - 11/18/2009 6:43:53 PM
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Phulish
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I hope I say this without judging them but I wish my parents had had your attitude early on. We're all grown now and they still don't. Mom playing investigator if she feels something's wrong, dad always crafting opportunities and circumstances to keep us local, etc. It has been such a deterrant in hearing God's voice, maturing and making our way in life. I hope young parents read this thread.
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RE: Child 'sacrifice' - 11/18/2009 6:46:18 PM
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Thank you, friends, for your input. The Lord knows what we need and gives so generously. This wonderful gift of freedom I did receive. But it does make me wonder what other 'freedoms' He has offered/is offering and I have yet to respond.?
I had a miscarriage before our son was born and again after. Both times, the Lord was so gracious. In each experience, He communicated that this was His love to me. Oh, how wonderful to know that when you go through something like that, losing a baby you did so want, that that too is His love.
The Lord is so wonderful and cares for us so graciously. If only we have ears to hear. And so I pray, Lord, give me ears to hear You. 
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RE: Child 'sacrifice' - 11/20/2009 9:16:53 AM
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When each of my 4 children were born we prayed over them as we placed them in their beds the first times. That they were God's children not ours that they were on loan to us that we would do our best to parent them in a godly manner for as long as He left them in our care and that we would trust Him to know those days.
We never imagined that for one of those children, our second daughter that would be just 2 and a half short years. When Malena died our prayer giving her back to God became our strength in the early days of our grief. We knew that our words to Him were true and we would trust Him to get us through the pain and the loss of her and He has, 8 yrs later we miss her but God has never failed us in our times of need. God is good all the time. I wrote a devotion about it but it is on my home computer, I will post it later.
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RE: Child 'sacrifice' - 11/20/2009 10:10:21 AM
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The case with Abraham was for himself to sacrifice, not to go home and sleep peacefully. It is the principle of faithfulness, not trust, although trust must also be there; but it is our making the sincere effort to do the will of God, that is, to do what He tells us to do, which is the whole purpose for the example of the faith of Abraham. This is the faith which is expected by Christ of us Christians, and not merely an affection. Christ tells us to do many things, and sincerity is what He looks for, not inordinate affection. When we make the sincere effort to do the things which He says, that is when He shall say, as did His Father to Abraham; Now I know you believe me. It was not until Abraham showed forth his sincerity toward God by proceeding to do what God told Him to do, which is when God said, Now I know you believe me; but not one moment before. For this cause did Christ tell us, Why do you call me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Truly our affection of sincerity may be there all the day long, but He looks for who is sincere, not in promise, or talk; but in deed, and in truth. As for the child being sick, we are to pray for God to heal them, and deliver them; and we must then believe and doubt not. But this is apart from sacrifice, and we should not think that trust is a sacrifice. When Christ tells us to give to everyone that asks(for example), and we trust Him, and go and do it; and if we suffer loss of goods and money, and may be on the verge of being destitute; then have we sacrificed. But to trust that God will heal our child, and we go home and sleep in peace, is not any sacrifice.
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RE: Child 'sacrifice' - 11/20/2009 10:28:26 AM
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onecoolmom
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But to trust that God will heal our child, and we go home and sleep in peace, is not any sacrifice.
Until you are the parent of that critically ill child...
BTW Malena did not die of an illness she drowned but I through her death have met many parents who have buried children who have died of illnesses. Until you have seen a parent watch a child suffer and die, you may want watch your words.
I am not in any way shape or form saying we sacrifice children they way Issac was to be sacrificed because God does not call us to that type of sacrifice, it is not of our culture or times. There was a song sang in church shortly after Malena died I am not sure of the title but it was about laying her Issac down, I have never been able to get the symbolism of that out of my mind because that is what I felt that God had asked of me.
Was I really willing to give everything that day when Malena died? Just as Abraham was willing to lay Issac on that alter was I willing to give her back to Him and trust that He would provide in the aftermath? I did and I do, everyday for the past 9 years. You do not know the story but in the car on the way to the hospital I was praying, BEGGING God to leave Malena with us. She had been airlifted to the hospital and God spoke to me out loud , I heard Him say no, to trust Him. I felt a peace that I had never known in that moment come over me, to this day I cannot explain it because it was GOD.
There is a link to her story in my profile.
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RE: Child 'sacrifice' - 11/20/2009 8:31:57 PM
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didymus101
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We have some psychological needs that are extremely difficult to overcome and let go of: control, certainty, safety. You can see how these three "needs" are inter-related and how they form a net, in our minds, of self-preservation and success.
To trust, which is the very foundation of faith, we sacrifice control, we sacrifice safety, we sacrifice certainty. To place our trust in God, especially when it has to do with our children, has to be one of the greatest sacrifices a person can make.
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RE: Child 'sacrifice' - 11/21/2009 3:27:23 PM
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Liveloved
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ORIGINAL: agapist
We have some psychological needs that are extremely difficult to overcome and let go of: control, certainty, safety. You can see how these three "needs" are inter-related and how they form a net, in our minds, of self-preservation and success.
To trust, which is the very foundation of faith, we sacrifice control, we sacrifice safety, we sacrifice certainty. To place our trust in God, especially when it has to do with our children, has to be one of the greatest sacrifices a person can make.
Thanks for this response, agapist. I'm in agreement.
It is what took place at Gethsemane. To those looking for works, there would be no sacrifice. Giving up one's own will is the heart of sacrifice. Jesus demonstrated the working out of our salvation on His knees in prayer.\o/
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